Update — the sequel to a White Picket Fence is approximately 60 percent complete and still on target for a December release date!
Have we found our new place?
Here! 60 percent finished!!!
I’m here… posted a comment to our last one…can you repost it here?
Here are the last couple of posts from Veronica…
In reply to Tracie.
Sorry — just a side note I hated the ever trilogy, the second book made me feel ill.
Janet what do you think? I don’t want to spoil anything in case anyone else reads it, but the book is just crazy. The characters are unbelievable,
People falling in love at the drop of a hat and the husband and wife never really resolve or dicuss things properly.
Tracie’s last Post…
Girls, after reading comments from last, I’m definitely to soft heart where Logan is concerned and all in for
Team Phil….so what do you girls think it will take for Logan to bring his walls down enough to forgive Phil and accept Liam? I’ve determined the only answer is time. Your thoughts?
My answer to that is….sequel
Got it….no dragging information today…Laura I got to give you kudos, you caught the change up on my drag pitch! LOL.
Man oh man the after the game scene will be so intense. Kim holding that trump card over Phil and he won’t have any control over the situation. Am I gonna throw my kindle in the prologue? God my heart!
Janet imagine him coming home and looking at his sleeping wife, knowing he is going to break her heart the next day. How did Phil go and set through church? I would have been a nervous wreck…..
He probably needed God’s help more than ever at that moment. He was scared witless. Also, remember when the family first went to church before Lina knew of the fling and the sermon was about fidelity? I wonder what was going on Phil’s head then. He showed no emotion when Lina looked at him.
No but Phil took her hand. His guilt was off the charts. He didn’t think at this point he would be caught.
Yes I remember and was mad he took her hand. He felt remorse and guilt and took her hand thinking he had a second chance without repercussion
I don’t think you will throw your Kindle in the Prologue. That is where Kim gets slapped with the realization that Phil will not lay down for her…it is going to be awesome.
Ok. Thanks Tracie. I just know this sequel will be an emotional rollercoaster and maybe we shouldn’t joke about the paper bag comment. We may really need one. With the aftergame confrontation scene as the prologue my heart will be in my throat the whole time and I’m really hoping the steamboat explaination is something I can stomache and forgive Phil. The one day answer completely threw me off. We shall see. Breathe in breathe out. Going to goodreads to see if any good ones are out. Bought Penelope wards new one but don’t feel like starting it now.
It will definitely be a ride to remember Janet. I’m sure we will go through every emotion known to man by the Epilogue….Lol.,.
Good Afternoon Girls, I’m been doing some thinking after the car scene about Lina’s frame of mind in SN? Laura is she leaving everything to Phil that is Kim and just being a supportive role regarding Liam? I think of her as having the attitude in regards to Kim as nonchalant. Pretty much…Phil you made that bed and I’m sorry you have to lay in it, but you do! I see her as taking care of her family and continuing on with career, just like she did prior to Phil coming home.
It’s kind of hard to be nonchalant to someone like Kim
I think she’d like that to be the case
I know Lina would have to support Phil emotionally when it comes to Kim. They discuss whatever drama she has them in… but Lina probably won’t have that much direct contact with Kim, nor do I think Phil would want her too. I’m hoping when they do, Lina treats her like the significant parasite that she is…..
Right. Kim is more of a nuisance then anything else in SN
Phil had Kim figured out in WPF..he just underestimated what lengths she would go to in destroying his marriage. He told Lina several times she wants you to leave me….she wants to hurt you. Kim is going to try and wear that marriage out again, but this time Phil and Lina are working together.
I also have an outfield question….
Has anyone besides me ever thought that two years after Phil dumped Kim, that the psychopath might think if I can’t have Phil nobody can???
LOL and there is the Lifetime movie scenario coming out. No. Kim is not a psychopath. Just incredibly selfish
Can you imagine if I killed Phil off? Ugh that’s why I can’t read Nicholas Sparks
That would be no….We can’t redeem my Phil to knock him off….I was thinking maybe an attempted homicide, but her plans are nipped in the bud and she is carted off to jail. Once there Janet the jailer would have a pair of orange coveralls for her! That’s like a dream of Janet’s. LOL!
I cannot read Nicholas Sparks either. I did like Walk to Remember but I think because the MC’s were in HS and he wrote that well. Hated Notebook. I maybe the only girl on earth to hate that book/movie. I mean he wrings out emotions in me I don’t even have. LOL. Laura, I had to get Netflix last month for that Jenny Han book. I didn’t for Stranger Things but I caved in for that series. My 45 year old sister loved it. I can’t go through that teenage angst again. I’m still getting over Endless Love from the 70s. No Thank you.
I have a question today too. Does Lina ever compare herself to Kim in SN and feel insecure(younger and more successful)? She didn’t in White Picket Fence and wondered if she does it out loud to Phil in SN?
I didn’t like the Notebook either….
You didn’t? Awww. I always sound like a freak when I show my distaste for this eye rolling cheesy piece of drama. I think I watched it with my husband and he asked me is this movie for real? I said no. Let’s go puke together.
I didn’t even finish the movie…when my butter popcorn and Hot Tamales were gone…I was too!
Laura I can’t be blamed for that…I’m having a lot more TV time now since I have to keep my leg elevated. LOL. I caught myself watching some TV show about moonshiners and one of them said we can’t make moonshine in this cave the fumes can’t get out and WE WOULD WAKE UP DEAD! How do you wake up if you’re dead? I told my husband, not only have I lost the use of my leg, it doesn’t look good for my brain cells either!
LOL great line. My nieces keep telling me to watch the Netflix movie To All The Boys I’ve Loved Before. It’s a highschool romance but they are in their twenties and love it.
I haven’t heard of that one I’ll have to ask my daughter and granddaughter….they are always on Netflix…
Have you finished writing at the front of the book?
Not even close. Approx 20 percent of the book will be added here
Well if you find a good question or warning snippet throw it our way…..We know some WPF Lol.
20 percent??! That’s a big chunk for few hours at Kim’s. Man I’m gonna have to prepare myself for a mental turmoil here. Poor Phil!
Hi Janet, I think the 20 percent will be other scenes of WPF with Phil’s POV.
Laura will we get to see the conversation between Phil and Kim after she sent Lina the pictures In SN?
Tracie this is an awesome question. Why didn’t I think of it? Ha. That’s one of the scenes I wanted when Laura asked anything else. Did Phil ignore knowing Kim knowing she is basically insane or did he go beserk on her? He thought he lost Lina for good after that fiasco.
I guarantee from Phil’s POV after seeing that bathroom, Lina staying at Nicks, being told to leave his home and the disappointment he saw in his kids faces when he left…..WOW…talk about being a fly on the wall!
Okay the 20 percent is the time between the ending of a WPF and when I originally started SN. I started it 7 months later. Not sure why exactly but now I realize I need many scenes in the beginning
I’m not a big fan of flashbacks so some of those scenes will just be given to you guys after I finish SN
Laura the 7 months would be from April then? Lina ask him to come back in April…
Yes it starts the day after Shilohs accident
You know I’m all about that scene….Makes me giddy…..
I think I can even forgive your editor now….Lol
Here is one more question ….do you think Kim ever thought….Who goes and tells their wife everything??? Phil did full disclosure and continues too…That in itself, makes Kim’s job harder….She has no choice but to be the adult version of an obnoxious child.
I don’t think Kim cares? She probably thought I am gods gift to men what’s wrong with Phil.
Lol about hot tamales. Yumm.
Great now I want candy
I would rather have junk candy than a candy bar….my husband looks at me like I’m an alien when I say that….
I crave both depending on the day. What I don’t really crave is cookies or pies
Lord. I love all. Now you said pies and I want peach pie. I think Tracie was making peach cobbler when I was chopping zucchini. I want that.
The only pie I really like is strawberry pie. I like homemade cookies….but my crave is for white birthday or wedding cakes with bakery icing …love them with vanilla ice cream.
Yes, I love homemade cookies but I can resist them. Cake with sugary icing is my favorite is something I can’t have in the house. I’ll eat it until it’s gone.
Lordy lord. I’m trying to feed kids salmon from toaster oven again and all this cake talk. I have a palate of a person living in a trailer park. I love pudding in the mix Duncan Hines and I made my local gas station carry Twinkie’s. They are hard to find here for some stupid reason. I once read a Linda Howard’s novel where the heroine “made” dessert with Twinkie and canned peaches and I like that combo to this day. I am kookooooo
Oh my gosh — yes! Pudding in the cake mix is the best! I haven’t had a twinkie in years! I used to like them frozen.
Frozen?? Omg never heard this before. I’m going to try that next time. My kids have never had it. I usually buy and eat in car while driving. My car has blacked out window so I don’t get embarrassed. Love that artificial vanilla smell. It’s childhood all over again.
LOL Too funny!
My daughter always gets a fried twinkie at the fair…She loves them….
Kim has no ammo though…she can use her child and aggravate the fire out of them….but other than that she is really old news….
Yeah she better be old news by end of the book! I feel like she is the center of it for now. In a very bad way.
No, she’s just there like an annoying rash that won’t go away.
LOL..that cracked me up..so Kim’s a fungus….I agree with that…
Oh I love that too. Nuisance and annoying rash that won’t go away. LOL. I’m reading after hours. Really good so far.
Oh good! She hasn’t been writing much lately.
She will be….she’s going to run Phil through the wringer. Kim is a game player and she has her eye on the prize. Phil doesn’t strike me as the type to play games. So he’ll have to give as good as he gets. Going to be awesome!
Laura if Logan’s Lacrosse games are mentioned in SN, like they were in WPF, does Logan become more aggressive on the field because of his emotional upheaval at home with Phil?
Oh never mind my comment then.
It’s a realistic scenario but not one that comes in to play in this novel. Logan’s anger at Phil pretty much centers on Phil and Liam.
I can see that….he told Lina he thought he was a disappointment to his dad when he didn’t make the All Star Team but maybe his new son could. Ugh…my Phil will work this out…. he won’t sacrifice one son for another. He’ll turn this around….
I can see this happening not just because of home environment but from hormones!
I just googled how many pages 60k words is equivalent to in a book. Around 240 pages. Omg! That’s basically the length of a harlequin novel that Laura had to take out.
Laura, what scene are you writing today? Did you finish Phil’s visit to Kim’s apt?
One short scene after another — the families reaction to Phil and Lina getting back together. That will also include Kim’s reaction
So many scenarios going through my head now. Did he tell her personally? Wonder if she will get on her knees and beg him to stay with her.
Yes, but it’s not like he tells her to tell her. More like he mentions it because it fits in to their brief conversation about Liam.
It must have been face to face after I re-read Janet’s comment….. I don’t think she begged, but I wonder if she twitched or clenched her jaw.
Laura I don’t guess you would want to share that would ya?? I can’t wait to read that….was the conversation face to face or by phone? Hope you girls had a good day. I swatted gators all day….I’m tired Lol!
swatted gators? What does that mean?
No. You have to wait for the sequel!
when I worked in Louisiana if we had a busy day or people snapping at our butt all day like a gator snaps, my Cajun buddies called it Swattin Gators. Knocking down problems….
LOL I like that!
Laura are people preparing for Hurricane Florence in your area?
My family has been preparing since Saturday. Perfect for me because if we lose power or water I’ll just go to one of their houses! I’m the one that never prepares.
I don’t either….we had one ice storm that shut power down for about 10 days and everyone went out bought generators, etc…well those generators haven’t been used since 2003. The nationsl news said that Hurricane Florence could drop up to 20” of rain.
Every couple years we have a storm that knocks power out of someone’s house for a week but one of us always has power
Laura In SN, does Lina still work part-time or full time?
Both depending on where we are in the Nnvel
There’s our growing pains….I can’t see Phil or Logan wanting her working full time.
I’m anxious to see how Damian and William are weaved into the story. Since Damian is a workaholic he probably has milestones he expects to be met and they usually want people that work as hard as they do. I can’t imagine Phil liking another man putting demands on Lina, when he can more than support her. This is going to be awesome
No boys can be selfish lol. There is also Liam to consider
Can you tell us if Damian “replaced” Nick? Would he even pursue her considering Lina’s married?
Hope everyone is safe this week. I am a big baby and freaked out over 3 hour power outage over the summer. 7 days?? 10??? No way.
No, I don’t think so. That part of the book is still a work in progress.
I hate losing power too. I need an a/c and my computer.
Good Morning Girls…Laura I was thinking about the comment above. Why would Liam be considered in whether or not Lina worked full time or part time? Like a shell game for me: If Phil were to gain custody, for some reason, he wouldn’t want Liam to be raised by a nanny, he would want Lina to raise him like she did their three children. Phil would probably want Lina to watch Liam on days she wasn’t working, instead of the nanny, he could pick Liam up prior to going to work and take him home afterwards…..so many options…
I hope it’s Lina’s decision to work part time and not Phil’s. But I also know Phil’s work schedule may cut into Phil’s visitation with Liam too and Lina will have to pick up the slack.. will they have a family spring break in SN? Maybe they can ski Vail with Tony and Casey
Lina ends WPF working part time
I just posted a comment about that Lol…I’m running scenarios through my head all the time….but its fun…
Are people calm in your area Laura? Looks scary in the news!! Maybe your whole family should just bunk down in one house and ride it out. I think buy enough candy for 2 weeks?
Looks like we are missing this one. It’s going to pass south of us! Feel bad for the people on the coasts
Oh thank God. Yes feel so bad. Scary!! Looks like that perfect storm from the pictures. Hated that movie too. Hate the ocean. Hated Phil had to go through it. Lol but Ugh!!
Hi girls….The storm does look bad and Laura so glad that you and your family will miss the brunt of the storm. I can’t imagine what people have to pay for home insurance that live on the beach. I always think when I watch house hunters on HGTV and they say we want an ocean view….all I can imagine is a view of a wall of water coming at me! No thanks…..Lol
I like watching house hunters too Tracie. Especially the international hunting. Ocean view for a summer home I can understand. Year around would be stressful. The ocean noise at night is so loud. Nothing like those tapes you fall asleep to.
Laura, any interesting scenes today?
I love the sound of the ocean at night. It’s sooo soothing! You two are land girls! I also love a Perfect Storm!
I’m still in the “Phil and I got back together and Lina and I got back together” scenes.
Laura in SN does Lina have a moment where she wants to put her hands in her own hair and pull? Where she’s just frustrated and needs space like in WPF? i think I would Lol
A little bit for sure
Good morning – do you girls want to see the scene where Lina meets Liam for the first time? It’s the opening scene of the book.
It will be the last preview I give you because I don’t want to ruin the book for you
Or I could show you the scene where Phil meets Liam for the first time.
Or where Kim finds out Phil is back with Lina
Good Morning…..Laura I wanted to piggy back on one of Janet’s questions. She wanted to know if Phil ever compared Kim’s beauty to Lina’s…I wanted to know if Lina ever asked Phil or felt inferior in bed with Phil because of Kim. Does Lina ever ask Phil if he thinks about Kim in that way? I believe any woman would have those thoughts if her husband cheated, don’t you?
In the original WPF Lina had a breakdown (early on) during sex with Phil for this particular reason. She made him stop.
Awww bless her heart, what were Phil’s thoughts when it happened?
Angst! That would have been so good. Lina!
You are killing me with options…..I want where Kim find’s out about Lina….However, knowing us the way do…which one do you think would give us the more WOW factor????
Which one is the longest??? I have anxiety over this decision!!!
Okay I got over my anxiety and changed my mind….I want to see Lina meeting Liam..my final answer….
LOL okay — let’s give Janet a chance to vote
Most definitely…Janet is going to have the same anxiety as I did! I went back to the first option because I think it will be the most emotional for me. We know Phil is going to love Liam, we know Kim’s going to know about Lina, but we don’t know how Lina is going to react to Liam the first time. Is the scene in Lina or Phil’s POV?
It’s Lina’s. It needs to be.
Ohhhhhhhh. Good morning! Shoot shit shoot. My first choice would be Phil telling Kim and seeing her reaction. Phil seeing Liam will be bittersweet because of Lina and I think similar for Lina with Liam. Piercing her heart because Liam looks like Phil. We never really got to see how Kim acts other than the slap scene so my vote is Kim. What do you think Tracie?
Yes it does…..
Ok You can have the final say Tracie. I’m good with it. I want the one with the most WOW factor too but they all sound wow to me. Laura and Tracie decide!
I want to see Lina and Liam….we know Kim is an ass so we will get to see a lot of her showing it: Phil seeing Liam will be awesome too…… what do you want to see the most. We only get one shot….
i wanna see all!! LOL. I don’t care because they will all be good. I just like seeing Kim break down. I thought maybe she would beg Phil bawling for some reason. Seeing Lina and Liam will be bittersweet.
Which has the most WOW to you Laura???? Lina and Liam or Kim and Phil?
Okay Janet Let’s do Phil and Kim. I might be sad thinking about Lina hurting and not know what’s coming next . Laura let’s do Kim and Phil…..Agree Janet?
Sounds good to me if you are!
Laura I feel like you got us standing in water fixing to hook us up to a high voltage battery LOL…Phil and Kim….for real this time our final answer….
I’m off to a meeting now. Will check back soon! Refresh refresh
Okay girls. I’m in the midst of writing that scene. It will be done today though. If I don’t think it’s as good as the one where Lina meets Liam (it won’t be lol because that’s one of my favorites) I’ll tell you to choose otherwise. It’s like comparing apples and oranges. Completely different dynamics in play
Janet I’m soooo happy you checked in early this morning sister….
Well hell…..Let’s do Lina and Liam then Janet….. Laura likes it the best and if it’s her favorite it will be ours too! Plus it’s done….
Okay — to be fair, I will post a Kim/Phil scene in the next several days too — have to give Janet another Goodnight Moon
Whew….you are so good to us…..I’m excited….
WARNING — This is the opening scene of Swimming Naked…
“Just a second, buddy.” Phil was at the sink, screwing the top onto a baby bottle.
Lina watched Liam’s small hands yank at Phil’s pant leg, his demands to be picked up increasing loud. She rubbed her hand across her forehead. “I think I’m going to go upstairs.”
“What?” Phil scooped up his son, handing him the bottle he’d just prepared as he turned to Lina.
“I have a headache. I’m going to go lie down for a minute.” Her eyes were on the almost one-year old sucking on a bottle as his head rested on his father’s chest, Phil’s chest. She swallowed down the lump in her throat.
“Do you need me to get you anything?”
“No. I just…I can’t,” Lina whispered before rushing from the room.
“Katie?” Phil called out as walked towards the family room. “Katie?”
“What?” Katie, who at seventeen was the middle of Lina and Phil’s three children, paused the television screen.
“I need you to watch Liam.” He set him on the couch beside her.
“What?” Katie retreated to the corner of the couch, her blue eyes widening. “No way. I’m not watching him.”
“I’m not asking.”
“You said it wouldn’t affect us if you brought him here. I don’t want to be a baby sitter. I don’t even like kids.”
“Watch him,” he said firmly, pointing at Liam. “I’ll be back in a few minutes.”
Lina was sitting on the edge the bed when she heard the bedroom door open. “I can’t do it,” she said. “I thought I could but I can’t. I’m sorry.”
The mattress shifted as Phil sat down beside her. “It hasn’t even been an hour.”
“I can’t look at him. I know it’s not his fault, but he’s the result of what you did—a living, breathing reminder.”
“Lina.” Phil stroked his hand up her back. “It’ll get easier. Once you get to know him, you—“
“I don’t want to know him.” She came to her feet and headed towards her wardrobe. “I’ll go to Adele’s or my mom’s for the night.”
Phil cursed softly, leaning forward and resting his elbows on his knees as he gripped his head. “You said you would try. Forty-five minutes isn’t trying.”
Lina finished packing a small bag with pajamas and clothes for the following day before leaving the wardrobe and crossing to the bathroom. “I tried,” she said when she felt Phil’s presence in the doorway. “You have no idea how hard.” She began to toss toiletries into the bag.
“One night. All I’m asking for is one night.”
“I can’t.” Lina shook her head. She’d thought she could. She’d even picked out a crib and decorated a nursery for Phil’s son, but the reality of him was so different than the imagined.
“I’ll leave,” he said, his voice sounding defeated. “I’ll take him to a hotel.”
“No. All his things are here. It’ll be easier if I just go to Adele’s.” Lina lifted the bag and turned from the sink.
“You shouldn’t be the one leaving.”
“This is the best solution, Phil. I’ll be back tomorrow.”
Laura!!!!!!!! I’m at a parent committee meeting and I am out in the hall to read your post. My heart is in my throat. That was more than awesome. I hurt so much for Lina. It’s how I envisioned she would reaact to Liam…I feel bad for Phil but right now kinda hate him too. Lina’s heart is in pieces. Gawd. Poor Lina. Katie’s reaction is exactly Katie. Wow the gang is back. Full force. It just hit me!
Laura…Lina didn’t come back home until Phil had taken Liam home did she?
No, so there will obviously be are more meetings with Lina and Liam — the type where she studies him face etc.
Was Phil nervous for this first meeting with Lina…he seemed so confident fixing the bottle or was he just holding his breath? Katie’s comment leads me to believe that he told his family he would take total care of Liam on his visits.
He’s Phil. He’s almost always confident LOL.
I’m hoping he didnt sleep that night Lina is away? Confident Phil to everyone but Lina who can break or make him?
You two are the ones that told me that he could sleep even if he was worried….Now if Liam was teething he could cry all night LOL…..
Well Lina blew his confidence theory out of the water…..I bet he felt sick when she left….
I’m excited to see who gets Lina to those meetings Phil or Adele…LOL I can imagine what Adele tell hers….LOL
My heart is in my throat….bless her heart and his too! I can see why this going to be a struggle…..I bet Kim wanted Phil to take Liam to his home…hoping it would drive Lina away…..Ugh…
We said exactly the same thing. My heart was pumping and my palms were sweating. Pathetic! Lina!!!!! I wanna slap your Phil right now for putting her through that.
Also, if that’s Linas reaction then what about Logan. Omg I’m gonna need a vacation after this book.
Adele is going to talk Lina through this at their slumber party. I wonder where Logan was…it is going to get off to a bad start with Lina leaving the house. Logan and Katie will fill like their mom has to leave her own house. Oh My….
Kim needs to suffer. Suffer big Laura. I hate that witch so much right now.
I am so with you J-Girl on the punishment…I don’t think I’m going to be able to eat lunch, my gut is in knots……I knew I’d be crazy wanting to read more…..My birthday and anniversary month are both in December. I told my husband one free alone day is all I want for both just to read this book….
You are letting him off easy! I think your swoon scene was right after this scene. That line Are we OK? was on my mind on and off since I read that scene. Phil sounds helpless as well as fearful but consequences and all. I don’t really feel like going to lunch with these moms either. I don’t want to be “on” at the moment. LOL
Thank goodness…but Logan’s going to know his mom isn’t home…..Poor Hunters….Phil watching her leave is going to be a bad deal for her…..Adele will be the one to tell her to fish or cut bait…..
LOL Remember that Lina and Phil get back together in April when Liam is four months old — he is almost a year old when the scene I just shared takes place. There are plenty of poor Phil scenes. BTW you will also have the same scene I shared from Phil’s POV. Basically, that scene is the opening scene and then….Seven months earlier — and we go back to the morning after Shiloh’s accident.
Phil isn’t going to lose Lina….he is betting on time to heal her wounds…..Lina is either going to have to bite the bullet where Liam is concerned or let Phil go..which is not going to happen.
He does have consequences. I don’t think he realized the impact until that moment with Lina. He adores his wife, his kids want nothing to do with Liam. No wonder he will be drinking Scotch at 11:00AM. I can picture a scenario where Lina tells Phil to continue to bring Liam to the house and her and the kids go to the beach or something when Liam is there on the weekends. That would kill Phil…. Laura Phil is going to get his feelings hurt several times isn’t he? I don’t think my swoon scene is the next scene Janet. We will have to see Lina and Adele and may be Phil a lone with his POV…before the swoon (my opinion only).
Swoon scene is definitely not the next scene.
Logan wasn’t home
I wonder when Phil takes Lima home, if Kim will ask how his family enjoyed Liam? I won’t to punch her….Phil is feeling fearful at the end of that scene isn’t he Laura?
That would be FEEL not FILL on my comment above…..I type faster than I can think…….
Yes, of course Kim asks — such a mean girl
Please tell me Phil says fine…..Please Please…I just need a yes is all…..
Phil will be fine.
I wanted Phil to tell Kim everything went fine with his family and Liam. I’m holding tight to the fact that Phil tells Kim nothing….
That’s a good assumption LOL
Ohhhhh I’d show her mean…..I hope Phil said they adored him…..
How about Phil giving her a sly smirk and leave without talking to her other than telling her the pick up time for the following week? Now I’m wondering if it was love at first sight for Phil with Liam? How weird is that- a baby with a woman he hates ? Does he hate himself seeing his son for the first time? Lord my mind is going crazaaaeey
Me too Janet….I think at the moment he is just wondering how to fix this mess with Lina and his three other kids and still have Liam in his life.
I think he loves his son no matter what, but like he said in WPF, he regrets how he was conceived and wished he were Lina’s. Remember he looks at Kim like a vessel.
It is official girls Adele works in my office LOL…..My crew came in my office after lunch and wanted our SN update. I read the scene and Adele Jr said…..I would of told Phil I’m going to Adele’s to drop my bag off, then I’m going to the bar to screw somebody….It was hilarious…she was fuming when she said it….then my other girl said…I would of told Phil the baby stays, you get out…LOL Those two carried on for a good 15 minutes until I threw them out of my office….HaHa
It’s funny — everyone thinks they’d leave but most women don’t! It’s the man that leaves.
The opposite is true too — men forgive their cheating wives ugh I hate to think of Phil as a cheater
You made me feel better when you told me he was escaping. Ugh. I’m not happy with him right now. He’s still selfish. That’s not going to change. Lol.
I wouldn’t leave Phil and I know the seven months prior to that scene he was probably a good TLC husband to Lina…but I can see Lina needing the space to deal with Liam not being hers to share with Phil..That’s why I asked did Phil and Lina ever talk about her role in Liam’s life..what did Phil want from her where Liam was concerned. Everyone hates to think of Phil as a cheater to include himself at this point.
That will all be covered in SN.
I think he would kill the other man and end up in jail.
Oh yes. That I can see. Good!!
I don’t think Phil would ever leave Lina. He loves her more than life. She is the one that kicked him out…Plus Catholics don’t believe in divorce….That would also kill his mother Susan if they divorced. The scene with Phil and his Dad is also going to put my heart in my throat. I wonder if Phil will get a wake up call if his dad were to tell him…”Son for the first time in your life, I’m disappointed in you.” Logan always thought in WPF that his dad was disappointed in him. May be in that one moment in time Phil could relate a little bit where Logan’s feelings are coming from instead of assuming he is just a mama’s boy…. I’m probably to far in the weeds again….
Phil being that possessive toward another man is what makes him redeemable. That’s another reason I wanted to know, if he notices other men looking at Lina, the way she noticed other women looking at Phil in WPF……and all touchy with Lina….Janet is probably going to puke when she reads that…she’s mad at my Phil right now.
LOL The reality is Janet is going to have a very hard time forgiving Phil. She’s like Adele
Janet is bless her heart…we’ll have to help her through it Laura…but I’m going to love the journey…Lol It will be funny…….
Do you think Phil would have left Lina? That’s another book I’m sure. So spouses cheat and forgive. I get that and see it. I think because Liam is thrown into this mix so much more is at stake. Today was intense!! Definitely a wow scene.
Janet it is so WOW that I’m going to have to get a massage after work…my neck got knotted a long with my damn gut…you’re going to need a vacation after you read the book and I’m going to have to be hospitalized LOL….
Those girls love to talk about SN. They are so getting hooked and Adele Jr is the biggest fish on the hook…
Haha. This couple riles everyone up. Tracie you should have a discussion club after everyone’s read SN. You are going to have to calm them down.
Laura did Adele and Lina have the girls weekend in NYC or did Lima come home on Friday?
They had their weekend!
Oh good….I thought she might have came home after the sweet conversation on Thursday night, with Phil.
I have lunch and sped home and now want the day to be over. Kids have their first essay due tomorrow so it’s going to be a long night for me here. My son wrote his first draft and I swear he pulled it out of his ass…
I just reread the scene and posts I’ve missed. That scene was crazy. Liam putting his head on Phil’s shoulder while Lina looks on and saying she can’t. Omg! Phil better not have slept that night.
What a great idea about the massage Tracie. So smart!
Okay your kids will hate me, but this is what I did with my daughter. If she showed me crap — I’d make her write five new versions. If she missed problems on her math homework, I’d make her do five extra problems for each wrong answer. I don’t think I had to look at anything after fifth grade.
Uh that’s why your daughter graduated from the top school. My kid is hard. He’s not your stereotypical Asian boy who obeys his parents. He talks back so much. He did work on it for 3 hrs last night so I’ll see what he ends up with tonight. He hates reading! That’s root canal for him. Omg I can’t go through 5x of this. I’ll end up jail with Phil. I think I will show him your post though. LOL. You are a tiger!!
LOL That’s true. She was easy. She didn’t know you were allowed to talk back. It just wasn’t in her. To this day, she won’t let me see anything she writes haha — so sad.
I just imagined you correcting your daughter English papers. She’s no dummy! I heard this before. My college roommates mom used to write for silhouette intimate moments. She never showed her mom anything she wrote either but graduated with an English degree.
Interesting. I know it’s my fault — I’ve given my opinion one time too many. I think I reached my quota when she was about ten.
Girls back from my massage. My daughter was easy too…I really didn’t have to do anything but check her work and sign her sheet that I had checked it. In the 4th grade her teacher Killer Miller took 10 points off a test because she didn’t put her name on it. She was a perfectionist after that, kind of drove me nuts Lol. My son was a good student too. Both of my kids tried being rude with me once and I let them both know, that if they kept on when they regained consciousness I would explain to them what they did wrong. No problem after that… Lol
LOL You’re funny!
Do you girls think Lina would adjust better to Liam if she was by herself with him a few times. I think about your comment Laura where Lina really looks at his face, if I were her I would want to be a lone to really look at him and come to terms with my feelings. I wouldn’t mind Phil being a fly on the wall either, if she was pouring her hurt out to Liam was she was studying him.
probably but I don’t see it happening like that. In fact, it doesn’t lol
Does Phil watch as she does bond with him? Now that’s not giving away nothing Lol
Sometimes — yes
Oh good, because I need to see that why he thinks to himself that Lina is a Superstar!
I’m confident you will be pleased. Janet, on the other hand, well that remains to be seen LOL
I’m a romantic I can’t help it! I love Phil he just made a mistake. He was already redeemed in my eyes in Chapter 47! Lol Janet will come around…. Lol
I’ll tell you guys after reading the scotch scene. Lol. Today I got mad because he had to put Lina through that
Ok so threaten to beat them up. I like it and will use it! So you really had a massage after reading today’s reveal? My neck is definitely tense too. Laura I’m not asking you to give us another scene-i wouldn’t dare- but was kims reaction as intense as Lina’s scene?
LOL I still haven’t written it. I’m building up to it. First there was a scene with Phil talking to his dad, then Lina and Adele and now I’m at work with Phil — he’s talking to Wayne. Kim will have to wait for tomorrow.
I love office scenes is Phil in a fitted suit?
I did Janet a hot stone massage and it was great. If you get your gangster face on when you threaten them, they won’t call your bluff…Lol!
Gangster face!! I’ll try.
Also, I would think Lina would study Liam too. How he differs from her kids and if he reminds her of Kim at all. I do hope he doesn’t have Kims smile or eyes or mannerisms or anything really. But Phil would know better. I wonder he studies on his own without letting Lina know. That’ll be hard for me to read
I bet Phil is just glad Liam looks like him and Phil said a little like Logan. I wonder if he worries that Liam might act like Kim? That would be my fear!
Well if he’s selfish then who does he take after? Just kidding. I hope to god no traits of Kim. I’m sure Phil looks hotter than vi keeland’s cover models in suits!
I agree Phil is selfish for what he did, but he is a work in progress. I’m sure people will tell him he is selfish more than he wants to hear in SN. Kim being so selfish he may see a reflection of himself in her…that would be a real wake up call for him.
I bet Diane is going to be over the top about Them back together. I wonder if Wayne will tell him, this is your second chance don’t mess it up!
Laura did Phil ever drive Kim around in his personnel vehicle or take her out to eat in Baltimore? I was wondering if the car scene resulted from a restaurant he took Kim to, she saw Phil’s vehicle and brought up some old memories in front of Lina. That would be really bad…..
Good morning! I had asked Laura before if Phil bought her anything or took her out to eat and she said no. Maybe she was in the car to and fro from airport to Kim’s or office? No!!!
The car scene happened in front of Kim’s house. And as Janet said he never took her to restaurants in Baltimore — did he ever have her in his car? Probably — from the office to her house and from her house to the airport
Okay…can we sell the car? I’m just saying Lol
darn it. Don’t want her designer cooties on the passenger seat and god only knows if she stuck an earring or something worse between the seats or inside the glove compartment.
If it makes you feel any better, I can tell you that Phil HATES Kim. And I mean despises — I’m in the middle of the scene where she finds out he’s back with Lina.
You know he probably kissed her in that car….Whew….Makes be want to barf….
makes me sick too!
Well Lina kissed Nick next to the car, so they’re even.
I do love that the scene took place in front of her house…..Lina’s not scared…Lol
Ohhhh good HATES…I’m so excited to see her get hers….
Lina did lean over the console in Chapter 47 and kiss Phil! Lina’s sweet self and her kiss voided out the witch. That’s what I’m going with to make myself feel better…Lina could like I don’t know burn incense in the car while wearing a garlic necklace to be absolutely safe!!! LOL
He kissed her in that car? Ugh. I didn’t think of that. Maybe he didn’t. Kissing hello and goodbye is sign of affection no? Any way it does make me feel SO MUCH better you said Phil hates in caps.
and I’m going with he didn’t kiss her in the car.
I’m with Laura no kiss…you would know….
Girls since Adele is having a little trouble forgiving Phil, do you think she might flaunt Lina’s work relationship with Damian in front of Phil???? Girls Weekend: You and Damian looked so good dancing together Saturday night….I would screw him for revenge sex….Every time he looked at you Lina his pupils dilated with lust…etc…In this fun snippet…Adele setting at the kitchen island while Lina making dinner..just trying to make Phil mad…Whatever room is within hearing distance is where Phil is…Lol
LOL. Dilated pupils. That made me laugh. Adele told Lina to go back to Phil. She loves him like a brother right? But I like her saying that within his hearing distance.
Tracie. Random question. What color did you paint the vanity?
I didn’t paint it…it was solid oak so I stained it. I think the color was Gun Stock…(Minwax)….I don’t like white cabinets in a bathroom, because makeup, etc….stains them and they tend to look dirty…I’ve done one in a driftwood gray before and it was beautiful.
Thank you! I’m over white too. I love oak. I recently repainted my bathroom cabinets grey and I love it.
Laura writing a hate scene with Kim and Phil, I’m feeling anxious for you. With the adrenaline high, I bet you could out run Chandler today!!!!
LOL I am feeling anxiety in my chest and as I sit in Phil’s thoughts remembering a few details of the affair I get a bit upset with him ugh
Remember what you told Janet…you can’t read those Chapters again and get mad…but the anxiety sticks with me too. That one line Lina said yesterday about Liam being the result of what Phil did…I thought about everything he did and it made me mad too! But Team Phil can’t give him a free pass..he’s got to hurt to be redeemed…..
true, but my details are new — new to me and new to you (eventually). Nothing terrible just any detail brings it back to life
when I said I was in Phil’s thoughts remembering — I meant in his POV
Oh Gawwwd. I have anxiety now too. I hate that feeling. This book is going to wreck me. I’m not exaggerating. holy crap. I don’t know if I can read it during Xmas. I may have to leave it till January?? Who am I kidding?
Ok, I know I asked you this before and I promise I will remember your answer this time but I get confused. The first time sex bar scene, did you say it’ll be in SN or later? I just want to know how the heck Kim even seduced him. What the heck did say or do that Phil finally gave in. I know Phil knew Kim was pursuing him but what made him break and decide to sleep with her? I know Kim was there and Phil was vulnerable and she listened blahblah. Sorry for bringing it up again.
Calm down. It’s really not that bad — Phil didn’t know Kim was pursuing him — wayne did and he never mentioned it to Phil because he knew (or thought he knew) that Phil would never take her up on it.
The first bar scene — I said you would know how it happened but I’m not having a flashback and showing it — no way. I couldn’t stomach it
Understood. I knew you couldn’t write the details . I don’t think I can read either unless he treated her like trash in which case I’ll savor. Thinking of them together makes me not want junk food!
I can’t wait to read his POV and feel his emotions as he works through the chaos he has made of his life…Wow….
Laura, once you are finished with Phil/Kim scene, are you going back to present time?
Now I’m having a scene with Phil and Nick — just kind of popped up. There are many scenes I have to tie up in the beginning. I know how the book is ending and only have about 20 percent more to write on the tail end.
Omg!! Can’t wait. About Lina?
Yes. I think Phil hates Nick as much as he hates Kim. LOL
I just read this oh my. Phil doesn’t even want another man liking Lina…much less loving her….. I wonder if Nick will tell Phil he doesn’t like him, like he told Lina??? That scene will have some Alpha!
Janet he had a fight with Lina and she cut him off and he did it….! …I hope I never have to read a steamy scene of Phil and Kim. I won’t will I Laura? I hope this is one of those noooooo!
Ok maybe not the details but you don’t want to know it all what happened? This is why ask. Did you ever read R.K. Lilley’s Up In Air series? It’s BDSM so maybe not for you but in the trilogy the hero had an ex who was a lot like Kim. Beautiful and narcissistic and made big trouble for the couple. The ex made a sex tape and released it to the public(the hero is rich) and the wife saw it. But instead of anger, the tape calmed the wife(and me the reader) because the sex was totally different. He never looked at the ex in the eye and it was clear from details he really just used her as a sex object. Nothing like how he is with the wife. Not once. I don’t think Laura can stomach writing the details but maybe do a bar scene and how we can see Phil is completely different with Kim even in the beginning? We KNOW he HATES and DESPISES(thank you!!!!) Kim now after the affair but maybe we can get a glimpse of Phil treating Kim like an object and not a girlfriend?? What do you think?
Okay looking at it like that yes I could roll with that..I like BDSM books and that one sounds really good! I just figured Kim was like any side piece where a man just wanted to screw without feelings. To a man sex is mostly physical they are all about the visual and women are the emotional ones. That is how I classified Kim and Phil.
You are absolutely right but Phil threw me off a bit with the staying overnight text and that damn lust pic. Waaah. It’s engraved in my head.
So r.k lilley is really good. I know you will like that one. She wrote another trilogy I liked even better and not bdsm-Tristan and Danika series. All emotional. Give it a try!
The first book of Tristan and Danika is free right now on Kindle. I know I’m in the minority but I didn’t like the other series — I don’t finish the first book. Too much inner dialogue for me I think. Did it get better?
Ohhhh! You didn’t like The BDSM? I read it years ago and liked the love at first sight for the hero and I liked the heroines gay friend story. Yes it got better and I didn’t notice the inner dialogue. That bothers me a lot too when there’s more inner dialogue than interaction. It was drama upon drama with the submissives and I liked that!
I don’t mind the BDSM — maybe I just wasn’t in the mood. I can’t even remember it really — just the cover and I couldn’t understand why everyone loved it. I’ll have to try again — after I finish this book LOL
LOL you won’t unless Janet decides to write it herself and post it. haha
Janet couldn’t stomach that either. I think the dance picture threw people off course regarding the relationship. I think he was just being a typical horny guy with a new toy.
Laura is there ever a time in SN that Phil over hears any one putting down Lina because he fathered a child with another woman….
not yet. I don’t think that will happen
Laura is there a social scene in SN where Kim unexpectedly appears?
You are great Tracie — the first time you asked that it was buried with other questions. This time it can’t be ignored. The answer to that question would be YES and probably more than once.
What a manipulative Biotch! Okay will Phil be to busy protecting Lina to be in tune to her feelings of humiliation?
If you’re asking if Phil is suddenly going to become a touch feely type of male the answer is no. If you’re asking if he’ll be more sensitive to Lina’s struggle due to his selfishness the answer is YES
…I was going for the YES. He would be Nick if he was a touchy feely type!
LOL. you know we are like a dog with a bone. So you are making SN 90k words or thereabouts? You know your fans won’t mind Kristen Ashley length books. Like Tracie says just saying… Ok I hope the anxiety moment is over for today. I’m sure my mind will be racing tonight.
I’m aiming for 90K but it could be a bit longer. We’ll see. I like Kristen but she’s another that has details my editor would tell me are unnecessary. I don’t mind them in hers though — I just feel like I’m part of the story.
Yup! That one I agree with your editor. Your books no!!!!!! Disagree vehemently. I got carian cole’s 600 pager. Going to start tonight. I’ll look out for those unnecessary scenes.
Laura are you getting rain and wind from the hurricane?
We have light winds and drizzle. Feels nice actually. The humidity is gone
The humidity here never leaves until fall. What scenes are you working on today? The one with Nick and Phil surprised me…I look forward to reading it.
That sounds like Florida. I’ve worked on scenes with Phil and Lina. Phil Lina and the kids and now Phil and Kim.
Get into you anxious/revenge mode Lol…..
I just had a thought….Laura you are probably going to say Lifetime Lol…..but we know Kim will be bad…we know she’s going to slither into social events where Phil and Lina are in attendance, what if Kim combines the two and tries to set Phil up for Lina to see Kim getting her flirt on with Phil……
Hi! we haven’t had a party wedge scenario yet I don’t think. This rash will never go away! Laura I hope Phil was being mean today!
Kim even surprised me today. Yes he was mean. Also interesting to see nicks reaction to Phil when Lina isn’t listening
I think Tracie needs to translate your answer for me! Kim was even crazier than usual? Nick was there?! Did Nick meet Kim?!! I don’t think I understand English tonight because my mind is going bonkers with your answer! Holy moly!
My fault. I was mixing up scenes. They are separate. Kim was no worse than normal. Just wasn’t expecting the scene. She’s selfish. Nick is alone with Phil in the scene
Thank you! I might have dreamt about it otherwise. Love those unexpected scenes so much. You say girls Kim is selfish and we say she is a nutso 😆
LOL totally Lifetime!
Good Morning Girls, I can just imagine what Nick says to Phil. Probably pretty much what he said to Lina in WPF, when Lina got offended: You don’t deserve her, your selfish, I love her, you’ll screw up again and she’ll be mine, I don’t like you, you don’t even know your wife likes to hike, etc. My mind is all over that scene. I love surprise scenes too! You are right Janet…Nurse Rachet needs to be hollering in Kim’s face “medication time”…..
LOL about you don’t kmow your wife likes to hike. Imagine Phil’s response to that. That was good one!
That is a good one but I can’t imagine Nick saying something that would get back to Lina. It would be like breaking her trust. He’s way too mature/controlled for that
I was remembering the conversation he had with Lina Lol. I can’t wait for that scene, no wonder he wanted Logan to move school. Poor Phil he has Don Juan wanting his woman and a female Norman Bates wanting his woman gone. His Alpha is on high alert!
At another tournament for the weekend and to occupy my time I am thinking of all the ways Laura will off Norman. Haha. Are we Back to current time Laura?
Not quite but I am 70 percent done now! Well that’s based on 90,000 words so we’ll see. I have several more scenes to write before I shift back. I estimate that the first draft will be complete on Oct 15!
Already?!!!!! As much as I want to read it right away I’m going to be so sad when you are done. Waaah. What will I do without having Kim hanging over my head at night?!
I’m actually pretty sad about it. I’ve spent a lot of time with these characters. It will be tough to let them go
Too funny on the other comments! poor Phil
Oh my gosh Oct 15….then your editor edits? It’s so exciting to know it’s almost ready to read!
Yes then a copy edit. I’m not letting them change scenes
Good on not changing the scenes! How could you ever get bored reading this story! Not this girl….
Thank you and God for that! The characters were living with me for the past few months so I may even miss Kim. Holy shit. Maybe you can let us know how the Hunters are doing now and then through your other books or this blog. Hormonal here!
For sure. Plus I’ll still have to write those extra scenes
Oh girls we are like our very own book club now. How many clubs do you know that actually has the author in the club! We are kind of a big deal.girls…Lol.
LOL we are a big deal. You’re right!
For sure!! That made me feel better and of course Laura’s extra scenes. Hope December comes slowly.
Laura in Phil and Logan’s discussions in SN, does he ever drop the F-Bomb in front of Phil? He did that with Katie in Chapter 32 and she was in shock and then laughed. Phil might be shocked, but I doubt he would laugh, his might spin around…Lol
No but he does drop it in front of Lina.
Are you writing today Laura?
Before the Hunters had to change their landline number did anyone other than Phil answer Kim’s calls? Was she calling just at nights when Phil was home or all day long hoping Lina would answer?
I am — I never take a day off. I don’t like to mess with the flow.
Yes, someone other than Phil answered her calls. I’ll leave it at that.
Ahh. I get it but it must be draining.
I can’t wait for that phone convo.
It is draining. It’s like being in the middle of a novel for months. You just want to finish it and every interruption is annoying. It’s even a bit harder now because I know the ending so it’s basically just filling in the lines. Every now and then there’s a surprise scene but its not the same as not knowing what’s going to happen.
and just to be clear — this blog is a refreshing refuge for me because it’s still in the realm of the story. The type of interruptions that annoy me are grocery shopping, phone calls and basically every day life lol
Me too…those are things that have to be done..but you still feel like a hamster on a wheel.
sometimes my family worries that I’m not eating. They bring me food lol
Okay Logan cussing in front of Lina Wow….does she tell Phil? I am the same way about getting interrupted if I got my work on….I especially get flashpan mad if I’m interrupted for something stupid! I got this one guy that works for me, he reminds me of the movie Cool Hand Luke…”shaking the limb boss”. He knocks on my door frame if he needs to floss his teeth, he has to tell me about it. Finally, Adele Jr. told him that I had an email and it was be wise to use it Lol….
LOL I used to have that job! I never went longer than five minutes without an interruption
and no she doesn’t tell Phil
It’s fascinating to read this because when I was reading your books, I couldn’t tap the kindle fast enough. I tend to skim a lot and know within a page or so if I am going to like style of the writer or not. With your books that thought never registered. I just kept reading till the books were done. In WPF the surprise scenes were actually shocking so I can’t imagine some of those are fillers. No way! I think because Kim is such a loose cannon she may surprise you again before you finish the book. I hope so anyway. Oh I wonder, did you know ahead that it would be Emily who would reveal the running group?
No fillers in the sense I’m just trying to fill space — more like I know I need a scene with Kim’s parents. I know I need a scene with Logan’s girlfriend etc. I know I need a scene with Lina doing xxx. My mind has told me all the scenes and now I need to put them to paper. It usually happens like this — the final scenes come to me at the same time. In answer to your question, though — no I didn’t know Emily was going to be in that car. In the Tony and Casey story I didn’t know the whole nude picture scene was going to happen either.
I’m sure Kim will surprise me more. I met her father today and I wasn’t expecting the personality that came out of him LOL
Oh my goodness my Logan has a girlfriend? Is he 16 in SN?
I didn’t mention Logan’s girlfriend? lol — he turns 16 in SN
No you didn’t mention a girlfriend….I’m having one of those moments when you said did you know Kim bought a house a mile from the Hunter’s Lol…
I know I didn’t tell you LOL I’m teasing you. Yes, Logan has an older woman/girl in his life. Different one than in WPF
Wooo..if Logan gets mad he can bail, cause his woman can drive him away….he doesn’t have to have Phil or Lina drive him….
Kim will surprise us to the very end…Will we get to see what Kim’s parents think of Lina? Man I hope they like her…..
we shall see…
Are you losing weight writing the sequel? I’m the opposite. I will be eating my feelings while reading SN. Can’t wait to see Phil’s reaction to Logan’s gf. Please don’t tell me Kim got her DNA from her dad. Then you have to off 2 characters not just 1!
I always lose weight when I’m writing because I won’t take the time to grocery shop or cook LOL Don’t worry I’ll make up for it when I finish. And in defense of her father — would you be a Phil fan if you were Kim’s dad?
Good thing you have family to take care of you! As much as they annoy us we need them. LOL
Kim that witch! Spoiled brat who can do no wrong in her parents eyes? I hope Lina never has to meet them. Poor Phil. He can’t catch a break.
Did you really just say Poor Phil Janet…I’m so proud of you…. guarantee Kim is a trust fund baby and daddy’s baby….Lifetime moment…Phil is put in his place by Kim’s dad, what a sorry excuse of a man he is using his baby and then kicking her to the curb,,Yada Yada…but Daddy War Bucks makes a mistake and does it in front of Lina….she so does I am woman hear me roar in defense of her man….Awesome!
I did say that! LOL. You mean Phil will let Lina defend him? I wouldn’t mind Lina standing in front of Phil as she says he fathered a nut job. Kim probably lied and told her parents she didn’t know Phil was married.
I bet she did too! Kim probably told her dad Phil didn’t have a wedding ring on, chased her relentlessly….ugh…..
I can totally see her saying that! That lying skank.
I wonder if Kim told her Dad that Phil said she was an easy lay? Lol….
When Kim was calling their home and someone else answered the phone how do you think Kim would start her conversation: Can I speak with Phil? Who’s calling? His son’s mother!!!
Laura does any of the kids ever refer to Kim as Phil’s girlfriend or mistress?
LOL no but Katie has an interesting way of referring to her
I bet Katie does…I can just hear her now…Dad..that ugly wart that is always on your ass is on the phone…LOL
Phil probably wouldn’t let Lina defend him, but he might not have a choice if she just stepped up and did it.
Hi! I read WPF several months ago and was thrilled to see a sequel was in the works and have been trying to catch up on all the back and forth here. I have been on a marital strife romance kick for the last 9 months but for some reason WPF stuck with me more than the others. I kept thinking about it and coming back to read passages before I broke down and just re-read the entire books. I think the realistic way the situations were handled and the obvious connection of the characters kept me thinking of them. While I loved the way WPF ended in that they got back together but we didn’t have to “deal” with the Liam situation, I was hoping for more and got really excited at the announcement for the sequel. I did understand why Lina took Phil back, I am with many here that I’m not sure he has quite redeemed himself for me. I think the ease he walked away from her at Nick’s and cut her out after that was hard to take considering what he’d done. But I think it was also the way he just kind of wanted her to get over it was hard to get behind both before she asked him to leave and when he wanted her back. But I am anxiously awaiting SN to hopefully feel his redemption or at least understand his pain/regret a little more. I had a few questions I couldn’t find answers to:
1. Did the affair with Kim end at the beginning of WPF when Phil comes home and Lina welcomes his back in bed? Or had he already ended it?
2. I never really understood the pregnancy. I know he didn’t like condoms but wouldn’t a man who loved his wife so much worry about bringing home diseases? Will this be addressed at all? If I was Lina and knew he slept with that rat, I would demand he get tested.
3. Phil said on the phone with Kim that all he would offer the child is financial support as he already had a family. What changed his mind? Was this just his anger talking (i.e. was he always going to want his child but was too mad at the time to admit it) or did Lina kicking him out change his mind about wanting his child? If he hadn’t changed his mind does anyone think Lina might have tried to have him get involved eventually?
4. I didn’t really understand Phil’s involvement in Liam’s life prior to his reconciliation with Lina. Was he present at the birth? Did he meet him at the hospital? How often did he see him? Where did he see him? I am guessing we will at least have that answer starting with their reconciliation as that is where SN picks up.
5. Why does Lina let Phil handle all communication with Kim? If I were her I would not trust him to regularly communicate with the woman he had an affair with even if he was telling me he hated her. I think I would want an intermediary (Phil’s parents?) or handle it myself.
Thanks for your thoughts and eagerly looking forward to SN!
Thanks for reaching out!
Here we go…
1. Phil’s affair ended when the book began. I don’t think he knew when he arrived home that it was over but after that first night with Lina, he was never with Kim romantically again.
2. This issue of lack of condom will be addressed in the sequel
3. During that phone call he was saying everything in his power to convince Kim to end her pregnancy. Both him and Lina knew he would never turn his back on his own child. Lina was thinking that during the pool scene — when she was watching him play with Logan and Megan and thinking how they wouldn’t be able to travel after retirment because he’d be too busy with his new child.
4. Phil was not at the birth of Liam but does meet him at the hospital. There is a flashback to that scene in the sequel. The rest of the questions as to how much he sees him will be answered in the sequel as well.
5. Do you mean after they reconcile?
Hi Laura! Thank you for the response. Yes, I did mean after they reconcile. I assume at least some of that has to do with the fact that Lina hasn’t met Liam and that Kim is crazy. I was just thinking that if my husband cheated I would want him to have no further contact to the extent possible for instance hiring a nanny to do pick ups and drop offs.
Me too! This question is answered in the sequel and there are rules put in place by Lina
Hi Rebecca! I know it’s time consuming but please skim through the 2000 comments from previous posts. We have all asked Laura pretty much the same questions you posted today(more than a few times) and her answers/reveals/snippets are gold!
Lina set rules of engagement with Kim??? This must be some of the spunk you were talking about and I love it…..I have to remind myself that this novel is about justice for Lina. I was reading your response to Rebecca (Hi Rebecca) and still feel bad about the retirement situation. That is why I straddle the fence on the custody issue and wonder if Lina will have to give up all her plans for the future, but I know she will get her HEA.
Tracie I think you asked about Liam’s pick up rules before. The only thing somewhat new to me was the condom issue. I think Laura said since Phil doesn’t like to use it Kim sister him she would take care of the matter. That lying crazy nutjob! Your asswart comment made me laugh out loud. The wart that comes back over and over until you freeze and kill it off. Haha. You know I’ll put that in there every chance I get.
Kim assured him I meant
I did ask, but I don’t remember any rules set by Lina. Lina doesn’t trust Kim at all, I bet Lina told him leave the front door open and you are never to be close to a flat surface….Lol
That takes me back to Chapter 15, Lina told Phil he wasn’t going to that wedding alone and Phil said Lina what do you think I would do???
Bahaha you seriously crack me up. Chapter 15 started the whole vendetta against Lina. I’m sure Kim had some plans up her sleeves but after that slap Kim wanted to destroy Lina. Wasn’t it after the slap that Kim lies to Lina about the sex? Omg I’m so riled up again.
I don’t know when the hall scene was it was a deleted scene. But just the snippet Laura gave us raised my anxiety level to brown bag, Lol. The slap humiliated Kim so she went after Lina like a shark to blood, that was a definite turning point.
When Kim said your husband couldn’t get enough of me…All I could think was..undoubtedly he did because he’s in Lina’s bed not yours…..
My pattern of thinking just shifted…I don’t think Lina will have to give up all her future plans, they will just have to be adjusted with the addition of Liam. I know my Phil will put Lina’s happiness before his own in SN.
Laura, now I’m thinking about what Kim told Lina in your old deleted version about how she and Phil had sex five times a day. It was a lie but did Lina ask for the correct number? If so can you reveal?
Janet I bet Lina didn’t want to know, she was probably more hurt by Kim saying Phil had wanted her more than any other woman..
I forgot to add to that last comment..that was another lie Kim threw at Lina to hurt her….
Ok I just wanted to know because Lina wanted the details of how the affair started in chapter 9. I get that women don’t want to know about their husbands cheating but once they do find out don’t they want the details? And once the mistress tells the wife a number doesn’t the wife want to know if it’s a lie? Just asking.
I don’t think a husband is going to give up the number, because that just digs them a deeper grave. But yes, most wives would want to know…
Laura does Lina ever doubt her own sexuality?
That’s what I mean! Laura told us Lina made Phil stop in the middle of sex in the old version. I think it all ties in together. Not knowing the number as a wife would make it worse once you find out there was an affair. I would say sit your ass down and write down the dates and the times right now and it better be when I was shopping or napping because if you were screwing that hobag while I was busting my ass off I will spoon your eyes out. Or whatever. You get what I mean
LOL I’m rolling that cracked me up…times and dates….Lina kind of did the same thing when Phil told her about the affair. When she ask why and it was important to her. He just wanted to say I had an affair the details don’t matter…but they mattered to Lina. Remember that….Chapter 8…I think…
Unlike the wedding, Lina will have an opportunity to see Kim and Phil interact in SN. I would study their faces as much as she is going to study Liam’s. I think (but not sure) the picture of them dancing is addressed in SN..
Laura you have mentioned Kim’s father and his sister…does she have a mother or was she a test tube experiment?
She does have a mother. A mother a father and a sister. As far as the question about how many times Phil had sex with Kim in a day – Lina asked and Phil didn’t answer
But why didn’t he answer if it’s less? Did he have things to hide or did he think it would hurt Lina more? Last night I was tired and felt bad for Phil today I’m back to being team Nick. I bet his gut turns every time he thinks of Kim. I hope he invests in Tums. He’s going to need it as long as Kim’s around!
No he told her Kim was lying but answering that question is a no win – even if he said twice because then Linas going to imagine it.
Like I said Janet deeper grave…he wouldn’t hurt Lina with that answer anyway…
I had to share this because I LIKE IT…
“You don’t deserve her,” Nick said making no move to back down as he met his eyes.
“And yet I’m the man she wants.”
“For now,” Nick said. “But Lina is going to outgrow you. She thinks she still needs you. When she realizes she doesn’t–.”
“She does need me,” Phil said. “That’s what you don’t get and you’ll never get. I’m like her air.”
Omggg!!!!! Nick!!!!! Phil! Two alphas going at it. I think It’s vice versa now and Phil needs his air. Before the affair I would agree with Phil but not now. And Phil knows it. He sounds defensive. That’s how I took it. Love it Laura!
So I’m going to settle for 2-3 times just between you and me Laura. Lol and Ugh. I can’t handle it if he says 4x. Wth Phil’s not 16
OMG you’re right! I didn’t even realize it. He’s trying to convince himself as much as Nick ugh. I still love him
The comment “She needs me” would sound a little desperate to Nick. But in reality she does; however, the independence Lina’s is gaining would probably put a knot in Phil’s gut about her needing him.
I love it Laura…on my gosh…I’m like her air…I bet Nick thought what an arrogant ass and I’m thinking go my Alpha….
To those that are not Team Phil yet, my opinion only, Phil sounded like an arrogant ass because he NEVER would have admitted to Nick, that Lina was his air too…..That would have shown weakness and Phil is too Alpha for that to happen….
That’s very true!
Janet now we know the reasoning behind Phil being fearful about losing Lina. Nick saying Lina will out grow Phil and when she does…..Wow.. I also go back to the graduation scene in WPF, where Lina said Nick looked at her the way a man appreciates a woman. Phil will notice everything about the way Nick looks at Lina in SN….I’m so excited Lol….
I think if this was another book with a different ending I believe Nick. Outgrow is the key word. But Phil and Lina are soulmates so if she ends up with anyone else she would never be truly happy. And Alice would be there to remind Lina.
So true sister…They are meant to be together. But you can sure see with that snippet, why Phil would worry about having to put Lina through so much with Kim and Liam, that he would be fearful about losing her to Nick. Phil doesn’t know Lina’s limit…Now Damian has come into play and working with Lina. Poor Phil..I love him too Laura….
Laura does Phil tell Lina what she is to him? What she means to him in SN? I know he is very proud so no way he would tell anyone else especially Nick but alone I hope relays this loud and clear to her or to us since we get his POV
Definitely comes through loud and clear
I love that….that’s what I needed his POV. love my Phil!
Laura in WPF Lina told Nick she was initiating sex with Phil. Does she do the same in SN? I hope Lina trips Phil and beats him to the floor…Lol.
Yes she does!
Awesome!!! I am so excited about this book! Are you still working at the front of the book?
I am. New scenes keep popping up. It may be longer than I’m expecting
That doesn’t bother me in the least. Janet always says the more the better. Are you still working with Phil and Nick?
No. Phil and Logan and then Phil and Lina and a bit of Katie – for lightness lol.
Next a Lina work scene and then the dreaded taking Lina to her first partner function since they got back together
Woohoo!!!!! Best news ever. LOL. I was hoping you keep getting surprised! Your unexpected scenes are simply the best!
Gawd! The awaited social function. I just gulped down my crystal light. Anxiety!
I can’t think about the Phil and Logan push and pull. I’m trust you fully with that relationship. The partner scene is one I’ve been dreading too! That’s the humiliation scene….I’m wondering if Kim will surprise you and show up…ugh!
The scenes with Logan and Phil were nice today
I am NOT letting Kim come to a partners dinner. No way
That girl has no shame. None! She’s asking for it. I think it’ll be another poor Phil moment.
Ok. Lord I thought Phil would end up in jail for punching a woman.
Well I’m glad Kim can’t invade the partner events. I’m anxious to see how Diane has Lina’s back at her first partner function.
Oh and I’m really happy about Logan and Phil scenes today. Warms my heart….
Good Morning Girls, I was thinking about Nick telling Phil he doesn’t deserve Lina. Phil knows he doesn’t deserve Lina, he said that to her at the end of Chapter 10. Phil gave up a lot for Lina after her and Shiloh were attacked. Phil changed schools to be with her, held her close and protected her until she was herself again. Phil gave her everything she ever wanted in a home and kids. Yes he betrayed her, but he never stopped loving her. Phil does deserve Lina, he just has a mountain to climb to prove it.
Yes! He did sacrifice much for Lina. I believe he still deserves her despite the betrayal. #soulmates
Janet was right that Phil does sound defensive and to me a little desperate; however, he also let Nick know that Lina chose him this time. I guess because I’m pro Phil, I felt like Nick needed to come down off his high horse a little too. She will outgrow you…does Nick have a crystal ball or just high hopes?
No Tracie. Phil is NOT desperate. That quality isn’t in his DNA!
Ohh. Why can’t he be desperate with Lina? Desperate for Lina? Not for anything else? Lol. I like to see that. No groveling but vulnerable and desperate as Tracie mentioned for his soulmate I’m for it!
I like the word vulnerable. I’ll accept that one lol
Girls we are all in agreement, vulnerable it is but only with Lina and in private.Lol Laura if you choose to surprise us again with a snippet, please do some hatefulness from Phil to Kim..Just thinking about the dreaded partner scene made me want to knock the witch out!!! Did you have to start it today?
Ugh. Yes I’m leading up to it and will soon be in the middle of it. Lina just found out about it
Lord! Please let us know how the scene goes. Do the associates at Phil’s firm know he has Liam? Arggghh
Also random snack item for you Laura. Have you guys treied Perfect Bars? They are decent breakfast meal replacement bars and only ones out that need to be refrigerated with healthy ingredients. Ive been eating the maple almond this week and they are pretty good. First order is free shipping. We know you need mental strength for Kim scenes!!
I’m sure everyone knows. Something that juicy couldn’t be kept under wraps. Did I mention that I live on peppermint Luna bars? I always have them stocked in my pantry. Tonight I had Reese’s peanut butter cups and an almond joy for dinner. I’ll check out the Perfect Bar.
I can feel your pain on writing this scene poor Lina. Phil has pictures of his kids in his office, I wonder if Liam’s picture is up. Remember Katie walking around his office looking at the pictures before he took her to a doctors appointment.
I have Luna bars in pantry too! Oh and kind bars. Love love love almond joy and that sounds great for dinner-lol- but your sister reading your comment may worry.
You are so right about juicy gossip. Gawd!! I hope I don’t hate Phil after this scene.
I bet he doesn’t have a picture of Liam in his office at work. I say just on his cell. Everything is ugh today.
Those bars taste like I’m eating hay! I can relate to the Almond Joys and peanut butter cups though! My groups all about the Lara Lemon bars. I’m all about a Strawberry Carnation instant breakfast! Lol
Okay there is no comparison between a Lara bar and a Luna bar. Lara bars taste like their healthy. My peppermint Luna bar is like dessert- not really but good enough. I like Kind bars too. The strawberry carnation takes me back to childhood
This sister that reads this is too far away to help haha
Laura is Lina nervous about the party?
She isn’t just nervous. She won’t agree to go
But my Phil is being really good right now
Oh and I like carnation malted milk! I still get those. Ok sorry off tangent. Back to Lina Tracie. I think she’s hating life now. She won’t go to church. Now this function where everyone already saw her slap the witch. Shit shoot shit
Omg about carnation bars! I haven’t seen those in ages. Now I will have look for them!
LOL. You sound protective! OK. It’ll be a chapter where Tracie will need another massage I think.
When you said my Phil is being really good right now, you mean really steamy good? He’ll love her into it…she’s got to face the jury sooner or later….ugh
No really understanding for a change lol
I don’t think she is hating life…she just don’t want people taking pity on her…ugh
I would want to rip the bandaid off and just get it over with….I bet Phil feels more quilt knowing how she feels about this…..
Okay…totally agree on the DNA 100% Alpha…When he said “She does need me” I pulled out the wrong emotion, we’ll stick with defensive. When he is with Lina, can I say he is a teeny tiny bit vulnerable…Lol..
Another random question. Would Kim like a proposal that was on the Emmy last night? All showy and public?
So cringy. LOL
Kim would love it I’m sure!
What about a public hanging, I would like that for Kim Lol!
Can you girls tell I’m feeling anxiety over Lina having to go mingle with the partners! Diane better do right by her. I’m still feeling the sting of the estranged husband comment!
Yes I have anxiety too which usually translates to ugh Phil. Why why why. Diane will support but she’s like a big sister figure. Whe can’t shush the room down. I’m sure there are some younger male associates at the firm who are not fans of Phil and women associates who are envious of Kim. I see a lot of whispering ahead.
This is a partner only function. The associates won’t have to be dealt with until the holiday party — that’s later in the book (I wrote that one already).
What estranged husband comment?
I love it that your brother cares for you so much. Mine is like that too.
Tracie. We better be careful what we put out to the world. I too forget sometimes it’s not just us. Can we still comment about food/ junk food though Laura? When I get excited about something I want to share info. Lol.
Oh definitely! I love it. I’ll just remember big brother is listening.
We are bloodthirsty but I think everyone here wouldn’t mind that. Laura would say no. Lol. I didn’t watch the emmys but that proposal is everywhere today and I thought ooh Kim wouldn’t mind that. The whole world will watch it. Too bad it’s Phils nightmare.
I watched it on ET just a minute ago…
I believe it was Chapter 36 when Lina found out Phil had his hand surgery.She called Diane and asked her about it. Lina said I can’t believe you didn’t tell me my husband was having surgery and Diane said you mean your estranged husband don’t you. I want to slap her….
oh yeah I remember. Diane is a good friend but definitely was pro Phil
Girls…I haven’t said nothing on this blog I wouldn’t say in public. Lol….Your brother reading this blog everyday just proves he’s got good taste!
learning the inner working of female minds.
Well monitoring this trio could be a detriment to his health or he could gain so much knowledge it could be a burden….
LOL I’m one of six and there was only one boy. He should know female but who knows…
Laughing out loud Tracie. What bad thing can happen at the function?! I would think the holiday would be way worse no? I realize I may have spoken too soon…
With 5 sisters he probably knows to hide from them…Lol
That will be awesome. You talk about protective Alpha mode…..
Okay – Lina has decided to go to partner event! I will write it from Phil’s POV tomorrow
Lovely!!!! Can’t wait. Is there a new younger hottie partner? Hahaha
Actually the event is to welcome a new partner so maybe he’s a hottie. I suppose I’ll find out tomorrow
holy moly cannoli! Please don’t get my hopes up like that. Ok, if yes hottie, he can be like taller Milo Ventimiglia. HINT!! LOL. So excited about This Is Us coming back. The only tv series I watch now.
the only show I watch (besides Netflix) is Survivor lol
Laura checking in to see how Lina is holding up. I hope she has her head held high, she did nothing wrong. I can feel her pain though, the partners wives thought the Hunter’s had the perfect marriage at the start of WPF, Lina’s walking back into the same arena with a flawed marriage. I bet Phil is a little tense too!
Big sigh of relief. It started out painful but the scene turned out almost positive in a way. Much different than I expected!
I’m so happy to hear that…I’ve had anxiety about it…Lol…..Happy you survived it too!
Good morning! Have a quick question Laura. I don’t remember us asking if Phil saw Kim while she was big and pimply with carrying Liam? Not by choice but maybe she wanted Phil to see her pregnant with his son and made up a problem to see him?
LOL no and it’s a good thing because she barely gained any weight. Back to perfect shape in no time
I cannot catch a break with this witch. She probably didn’t even need maternity clothes. Hate her!
LOL…I’m wondering at what point narcissism turns to dumbassism….If a man kicked me to the curb like last nights garbage, looks at me (cold stare) like a great white heading into a school of fish, I doubt I would get butterflies….
True! She’s so full of herself that its as if she has no pride.
Lina probably did too….I’m just saying…
It would eat Kim up knowing Lina’s first time with the partners turned out positive and that Lina and Phil are stepping back into a somewhat normal life!!! I love it….
Is the partner a young, good looking, smart man who has the hots for Lina??
I started carian cole’s 600 pager last night. Read 5 out of 65 whopping chapters. Not loving it
LOL no he’s irrelevant to the story. The new partner would have been an old associate so no one new. Plus the scene was more about Phil and Lina reentering the lives of his colleagues post reconciliation
Ok fine! Lol. Easier for Phil
No it wasn’t easy for him. It was hard for him to see Lina nervous/upset about going
I knew he would be…ugh’
Laura was Phil nervous on how the group would receive Lina back?
No not nervous. Just concerned about Lina
Laura is Phil a criminal defense attorney? Also, does Adele and Kim ever come face to face in SN! I can’t remember if we’ve asked that question…..Lol
White collar crime. So far they haven’t met. I’m not sure if they will or not
Is Phil still guilt ridden over the affair or over it since it’s been almost 3 yrs now.
SN begins one year after the affair ends and continues another year and maybe more. Guilt ridden? The repercussions of the affair slowly unfold so he feels the full impact of his actions
I like the maybe more…..Poor Phil
What scenes are you moving to now? I hope you ate tonight too!
I ate lots today lol
Moving forward with Kim and Phil
Alice is getting married.
Oh good about eating a lot!!
I hope Phil is spewing venom. Glad you ate too…..The more we discuss SN the more I can’t stand Kim it’s like her rash has spread….Lol!
We could not stand her before! It’s just forefront in our minds since she’s in this novel a lot more. I thought I couldn’t hate her more in WPF but I was wrong! She’s a prescription strength ongoing rash/hemorrhoids that keeps popping up and out. Yuck!
LOL that cracked me up…….I’m anxious to see if her sister even likes her or just tolerates her. I can’t imagine growing up with such a selfish manipulative witch.
I think the parents doted on Kim and the sister lived in her shadows. Don’t you think? How come Laura tells us Kim is just selfish and we think she has bunny boiling tendencies?
Laura is calmer than we are….Lol. We are also bonded with Lina and hate everything that is Kim. I would agree with you on the sister shadow scenario.
Hi Girls…..Laura since Logan’s girlfriend is older…what does Katie think of him dating someone closer to her age?
Btw today’s scene is all about the pictures from WPF
Is this happening 7mo the prior? Last night Alice was getting married and today we are at pictures? Is this an unexpected scene or you knew? I needed Phil to explain the pictures but wow. Didn’t see that coming today.
I had no idea it was going to happen. Neither did Phil poor guy. Even Lina seems surprised lol. Happens in the first quarter of the novel. I’m all over the place
How is this for frustrating?
“The pictures Kim sent me. One of them is of the two of you dancing.”
He lips turned down. “I don’t remember dancing with her.”
“You were dancing.” She’d deleted all evidence of the pictures but not before looking at them enough times to have them permanently burned into her memory. “You were in a bar or something.”
“Then it was just a moment. Maybe a song came on at the bar and we danced for a second. I honestly have no memory of it.”
Annoyance rushed to her chest. How could he not recall something that caused her so much heartache? She sat up on the bed, frowning across the room at him. “Did you look at the pictures she sent me that day? I left them in your robe pocket so you could see them.”
I see. Omg still can’t breathe but I’m going to absorb every word that comes out of Phil. This is the chapter I couldn’t reconcile. Well. You know that already. I hope Phil explains it so I can forgive him too. I’m so curious what triggered the pics for Lina. Poor Lina. Wow
I was so agitated I deleted my reply by accident. I basically said this.
Omg omg omg omg omfg omg omg omgggggggggg
Is he lying? How can he not remember that happened a year ago? What is happening? I can’t eat my lunch. Can you make Lina ask about the luet expression?
It switches to his POV so you’ll know exactly what happened.
Ok. I need to forgive him too so hope to god he makes me understand. Like Kim slipped him a pill. My mind is going crazy right now.
Laura!!!!! I can’t breathe!! Did Kim bring this up? I can’t. I’m gonna kill
No. Something happened that sparked Lina’s memory about one of the pictures and then (finally) she asks about them
Since we have full disclosure I know he’s not lying so that leads me to believe it didn’t matter to him at all.
maybe he couldn’t remember because the moment was so insignificant to him??
Been at the hip doctor today either going to have holes drilled in my bone to increase blood flow or replace my hip. I have to have a CT scan then the surgeon will make the decision. Still have to stay on the crutches…ugh!
Oh no! I’m sorry. That’s awful! I hope you have a good doctor.
The doctor is really good and he is hesitant to perform the hip replacement because of my age. He said it’s to soon. I immediately replied I agree! Lol
Thanks J-Girl….I’m really not feeling bad, just lumbering around on these crutches is getting old. Hope your mom is good.
Oh no!!!!!!!! I hope you are okay and no hip replacement. Sorry Tracie. I took my mom for MRI and CT scan today too so I’m feeling your pain and hassle. Feel better..
Does Lina discuss all the pictures with him or just the one?
She discusses them all…
I just reread the scene. Now I’m going back to WPF and will reread chapters 28 and 29. I need to read Nick using his 5th degree karate belt on Phil. I’m sorry Tracie. Laura, how about Lina says to Phil, in the dancing picture you are smiling at Kim with a look you only ever gave me. It looks loving and lustful. What’s up with that dude? How come you say you only loved me but you are looking at this bitch the same way? You tell me right now Phil!
Is that interrogation done with or without a knife to his throat..LOL
I’ve waited for this scene. I know it’s frustrating for Lina, but I liked my Phil not remembering. Janet is going to kill me for saying that….Lol. It just more proof his heart was no where near Kim…
Laura does Lina finally tell Phil out loud that the dance picture is the one that caused her the most heartache?
Laura I saw where Janet said can you make Lina ask about his expression…Lol. If you are entertaining request…can you make Lina put her hand on Phil’s thigh in the car scene if it is fitting. That would be one of those visual statements for Kim…
My parents are older so lots of problems. I’m just glad we are all around to help each other out. My father is a stage 4 cancer survivor and my mom stage 3. Gotta take care of my mommy and daddy!
You will be okay!!
Ok now on to Lina and Phil. Lol. My heart is twisted still. Kim hasn’t done anything truly bad in this book though. Just trying to tempt Phil which is comical at this point. Laura you said she is a planner. Is she still planning on ruining Phil and Lina? Omg this novel is going to put me in the hospital too. It’s like the most anticipated novel of my 49 years. People are gonna lose it. I just know it!
Your parents are truly blessed to have survived so much. I miss my mom and dad everyday, cherish those darlings.
Tormenting then to me is bad. That is why I asked Laura about putting her hand on Phil’s thigh in the car scene.. I want Kim to have pictures in living color, just like she wanted Lina to have. I remember at the wedding when Phil gave Lina a slow kiss and Diane told Lina perfect she was watching. Then I think to myself Lina and Phil doing PDA I’m from of the witch probably just spurs her on….
Thank you Tracie!
Yes about spuring her on. She sent those pics to Lina because I think Kim felt slighted or dare I even say humiliated? And her attitude who do you think you are? I will show you. So now isn’t it worse because Lina has Phil and Liam too? How will she handle that? Sure Liam is more of a possession at this point but he’s hers nevertheless. Man I want to ruin her running wardrobe and shoe collection after I put holes in all her work outfits. Let me go pick up kiddos and will be back.
when Lina didn’t leave Phil over the affair and her being pregnant, Kim had to up the game. The texts didn’t run Lina off, so she had to drop the pictures on her birthday. That got her what she wanted. Can you imagine the scene where Phil is telling Kim he is back with Lina…..that is going to be so awesome!!!’
That should be in front of…autocorrect kills me….ugh
I also wonder if Lina will ask Phil why they looked like twinkies and were dresses alike!
Lolll. You mean ho hos. Black tee.
Cracked me up.
Also why does Phil say it was just a moment. He was so caught up in that moment? He loves that song(which I’m sure he experienced all with Lina) and wanted to share it with Kim? He was so happy in that moment? Omg Laura I could go on for days. My interrogation isn’t over. What is Nick doing now? Is he dreaming of ways Lina will outgrow Phil?
He didn’t say he loved that song…may be she liked the song? Guys don’t work on the emotional side of the house…remember physical. It probably was a quick moment for him. How many guys you know that press roses in a book or keep cards, etc….To prove my point a woman at work, her husband use to sign her BD cards; Your husband, John Dimwit Doe. Tell me a wife that does not know her husbands full name. They don’t think like we do….
Oh my gosh I just had a memory of my parents that fits in with this conversation…My mom was getting on to my dad about something and she said you damn well know what I’m talking about…he said a woman’s mind is like a damn Rolodex…you spin through it at the speed of light, pull out a card and say here it is 20 years ago you did this at this time…and as a man I don’t have a damn clue!
Everything you said is true. Guys don’t remember but he saw the pictures and Lina goes through them all so I want to understand. I don’t care about grabbing Kim’s butt and the sleeping picture is not the end of the world. But the look and the steamboat with frame on nightstand still bother me. Man I’m drained going back and forth in my head about this. Today was a yucky day all around.
Since it’s full disclosure he will tell Lina the circumstances surrounding those pictures. The look is what hurt her the most, so I’m sure we’ll get our answers. I wonder what Laura did with the picture that was on the nightstand?? I tell you another thing, I go back and forth on the Kim looking Healthy and Tan.scene. …what did she keep Phil from…I even went to the outfield thinking Logan might have finally made the All State Lacrosse team and Phil missed the game. Which means Lina would of been there without Phil at the same time as Nick. So many options…
Well I’m still thinking why did Phil say are we okay in your swoon scene. What happened before that he would even voice this and then touched his forehead to hers? That was your vulnerable Phil scene to me. I think the healthy and tan scene is Kim being selfish about Liam and not putting him first? Still all said and done all these scenes happen before 60 percent in the book. Laura hasn’t written the ending yet so there’s still the climax to come. Kim’s gonna brew and spew.
I think maybe my swoon scene may have been at the end of the opening scene.chapter. So you think Logan could get his little girlfriend pregnant? That’s the first thing I thought of when Laura said older girlfriend! Laura is going to come back and say Noooo! I wonder just how far she will go when she realizes Phil is not coming back to her….
I will say nooo too. Logan is way more responsible than Phil and if he learned anything from his father it’s to wrap it up. I hope anyway. Otherwise it’s a trilogy for sure and Laura will never get to rest or eat properly. We will be in the hospital for respiratory problems while she will be admitted for malnourishment. I’m kidding!!! I only think of love and good energy for us here. Now Kim on the other hand can bounce back and forth from one circle of hell to the next. Suffer witch!
Wow! You girls were busy last night. I have a sister in town from California and was catching up. Ugh sorry about your parents Janet’s – it’s hard. I can relate. Approaching four years next week since my mom died. Never get over that.
Tracie- no Logan will not get his girlfriend pregnant!
Janet – clever – trying to piece the book together lol
This novel is more about the aftermath of Kim, not Kim continuing to come between them because she doesn’t have the power for that. And just to put your hearts at rest. She has no new secrets to reveal from the affair
The pics — he did have an affair. There is no way to undue that. Sometimes I struggle between redeeming him in everyone’s minds and staying true to the novel and his character. Staying true will have to win out
Staying true has to win or the book wouldn’t be believable. How Phil handles the aftermath of the affair is all the evidence anyone should need of his redemption. #TeamPhil…
Hope you and your sister had a good visit!
I think you girls would be disappointed if I didn’t ask this question…after the picture discussion will their be steam? Lol
Laura where are we today?
Ugh I’m still in the middle of this f-ing scene (sorry for the language). This is hard to write. I’m feeling extreme anxiety and I’m annoyed at Lina for bringing it up when things had been going well. Phil just said this and I’m with Phil…
He had no fucking desire to see those pictures. “Delete them. You’re keeping this alive. You forgave me, remember? I don’t want to fucking do this.”
“But I need to understand them.”
“Understand what? I had an affair. I own that. There is nothing I can say to justify it or make it go away. You have to let it go.”
Good morning and I mean that! After the f ing scene you have your sister to hang out with I hope. Thank you for your kind words regarding my parents. My dad golfs 4x a week, my mom does yoga and both have a very active social life. I think they are OK.
I’m also with you both and staying true to characters gets my vote but(sorry) I’m with Lina. The more you are left in the dark wondering, you tend to blow things out of proportion. Phil saying forget about it(because it meant nothing to him) is the past Phil no? Yes he had the affair and yes it was his big mistake and yes he loves Lina but just be clear to her and answer her once and never revisit again. Also Lina, ask about the running group. Phil promised you transparency this time around. I hope this scene doesn’t ruin your day Laura.
How can you explain a look? Diane even told her that is a man in lust, that is not the way he looks at you. He did it….owns it. What can he say: I had a a few scotches and we danced and I screwed her. Blame it on the alcohol. He didn’t look at the pictures because they are what pushed Lina over the edge and the only thing he could picture was her and Nick at that moment in time.
Your possible explaination is good if that’s what Phil was going through. It doesn’t have to be what I as a reader wants to hear. Just what Phil felt. Like why dance with her? If he got caught up in the moment because he won a case and grabbed Kim then fine. If Kim dragged him on the floor for a dance then fine too. Just explain rather than tell me oops Lina to get over it. Because I know Lina won’t get over it that way.
Yes I just felt anxiety tingles too! Don’t worry about your language…I’m right there with you. This could be a pivotal moment where she either has to continue to torture herself or let it go and work to strengthen her marriage…..
By Phil never answer any of Linas questions will torture her more. That’s how we are wired to think. Explain then move on and make it clear they are never revisiting these scenes again. Otherwise few years from now something else will trigger those memories again for Lina and it won’t be good for them to do this on and off. Phil forgot as soon as the affair ended and hates Kim but Lina won’t ever forget. He needs to reassure her.
Lina has seen the pictures there is nothing to explain they are what are…picture is worth a thousand words. It happened, the reassure is the key…
Okay, I’m feeling a bit better — because I gave you the ugly, I’ll give you a little more so you don’t feel the negativity all day…
He fell back on the mattress covering his face with his hands. “I don’t want to relive it. Don’t you get that? It’s the lowest point of my life.”
“I just need to understand them and then I can let them go. I’ll delete them after.”
It was a nightmare. He’d woken to a nightmare. “Okay.” He sat up. “Where are they? Let’s get this over with.” He ploughed his fingers back through his still damp hair.
“This isn’t about punishing you. It’s something I need to heal.”
“What if it doesn’t help you heal? What if they make you angry all over again? What then?” It was his greatest fear that she’d decide she couldn’t forgive him after all.
“It won’t.” She crawled across the mattress and into his lap, cupping his face in her hands. “I don’t want to be without you. I love you.”
That’s what I’m talking about!! So so so so so good! Thank you Lina and thank you Phil and I love you Laura! Lolol. #teamphil for today!! Haha
Laura the scene you gave us yesterday said she had already deletes the pictures, all evidence, but they were burned in her brain. So she can’t show them to him. But I do love this scene…..
the scene from yesterday changed a bit this morning. She actually didn’t delete the pics lol
But I would rather her show them too him Lol and clear the air….
Every morning I reread what I wrote the night before and edit it or don’t depending on my mood. At first I was going to have them discuss the pics without looking at them but I figured we all need to see those pics again so they are fortunately still in her phone
I’m glad you changed it Laura. That scene I just read had an impact on me. Phil’s greatest fear line….oh my….Lina climbing in his lap seems to me, she was comforting him as they work through the pictures together. Awesome writing sister!
Wow after a year she kept them.
Did she forget about them or look from time to time. It must be so jarring going through your pictures then boom there they are. Ugh. Have a great day ladies. I’m going to treat myself to some retail therapy this morning with a friend to destress. Lol
I’m giddy now I so love her climbing in his lap and cupping his face…..swoon…..I have anxiety for Phil looking at those pics…..help her heal my Phil….
Phil is Phil. He is fine if Lina’s with him. You know him best. He will be grumpy for a day or two then back to his arrogant self.
Janet he’s NOT arrogant…he just has a strong personality my Salt! Lol.
Poor Phil is right…Having to look at his biggest regret with the love of his life setting there with him, knowing the pain he has caused and Kim sending them to her…..When Janet gave the snippet of the wife watching the husband and girlfriend on tape in a book she had read, Lina will watch the look and emotions on Phil’s face as he sees the pictures and I think it will be painful.
Okay girls — keep in mind that every scene I share here is in draft form. All kinds of tweaks will be made between now and the final copy — scenes could disappear altogether LOL not this one of course.
Lina kept the pictures and looked at them so many time she’s almost desensitized to the sight of them. Phil on the other hand…poor Phil
I replied in the wrong place again…..
I was talking about you two and the book all through lunch. Both of my friends said wow you all talk about this couple as if they are alive. I said Phil and Lina are very much alive in my world. So funny. Laura, are you done with the scene?
LOL people say that to me all the time. All but steamboat pic so one more day
Janet I get that all the time too, but I don’t care Lol…I love our little book club ….you will get to see Phil’s facial expressions and hear his POV as he sees the pictures and so will Lina. That should put that issue to rest and give her peace. I can’t imagine Phil’s feelings as he looks at them with her….ugh
Laura this must have been an emotional day for Lina and Phiil. Steamboat will be rough too! How is Phil’s emotions? After this, I hope Lina is true to her words and gets rid of the pictures.
Yes! peace! Lina will never bring it up again. I love our book club too. Before today I only spoke about it with my sister. My friends read a lot of our comments back and forth and both were genuinely interested in Phil and Lina. Lol.
My friends do the same at work….Lol. I think you will have as much peace as Lina. I also think this scene probably fueled his anger even more toward Kim. Don’t you?
I do think this will anger him. I bet Phil was so grossed out looking at those pictures and even though he was part of the pictures he will put the blame on Kim. Yes Tracie it will totally bring me peace and I can rest too. Lol.
My friends today don’t read romance novels but they want to read this one. I said to start with WPF so we will see. It’ll be a hoot to have them join us here.
I told my friends the same about WPF. The more the merrier I always say. Phil owns up to his part in the affair, but sending those pictures were all Kim’s doing, so she deserves to take the blame for Lina having them…the Biotch…
Yup I agree to all. I would love to meet your friends here. Lol. I will text them tonight to see if they bought the book. Otherwise they suck big time. We get to find out about the steamboat picture. Shit.
Good Afternoon Girls, I was thinking about when Phil said “it was the lowest point in my life.” Lowest point being the affair in general or that Lina had asked Phil to leave and Lina stayed with Nick?
Those pictures are what triggered their separation and the scene at Nick’s is why I asked…..
Laura are you through with the scene?
Lowest point refers to the affair. Yes, just finished the scene. Steamboat was rougher than I expected. Regardless of Phil’s reason for taking Kim there, Lina still holds some bitterness. I need a happy scene now.
Bitterness that will only subside with time…poor Phil I bet that scene was gutting for him! Those pictures have been purged out of their relationship now, so I hope Lina finally deleted them.
I’ve reached the 80 percent complete point! Of course, this is just based on word count. I still have much to write.
That was laugh out loud funny. When did Kim’s name become a comic relief for us? Lord! Heavy heart here too. You will make everything OK for this couple. You can do this!!
What I got out of your previous post is Phil had a reason to bring Kim to Steamboat. Ugh!! Lina will get through it. She doesn’t really have a choice does she since she promised Phil. Losing her favorite place and never being able to go there again… double ugh!!
Word count or not…it’s your story so you keep writing until you’re happy with it. What happy scene are we going too! Have you got to visit with your sister?
I realize this scene isn’t quite done which is why I’m feeling anxiety. Unfortunately, I can’t finish it until tomorrow. My sister has been waiting patiently for me. I’m not sure what comes next — my head is too caught up in Steamboat and the pictures. Hopefully I can finish it up pretty quickly in the morning and move on to something happier. Like Kim LOL NOT
LOL. Kim is not associated with the word Happy…..I have anxiety too….Lina promised Phil she wouldn’t get angry..I can see the bitterness her wanting to see her grandkids learn to ski there,etc.,..ugh.. Go visit your sister and have some fun Laura…
Good Afternoon Girls, I’ve had anxiety how this scene was going to end…..I know Lina is bitter and Phil was so wrong in taking Kim to SB, but they agreed to move forward together. Phil needs to remind Lina of that….”Baby give me a chance to make this up to you….Moving forward means making new memories and I promise you we will…Yada Yada…. Ugh…….I’ll be glad when you are through with it Laura…..
All good! Done with scene and now we are at church. Feeling better now
Oh I’m glad….my anxiety was high, wondering if Phil was having to beg or if Lina was having a meltdown….I’m glad we’re clear…Lol
Girls, when I said I’m glad we’re clear…I hope you knew I’m glad we’re clear of that scene…Lol. I got to reading that and it sounded rude.
LOL I knew exactly what you meant. I’m glad that scenes in the past too. Unfortunately it’s still in Phil’s mind ugh
Just saw this one Laura. It’s ugh to write but isn’t it a good thing it’s lingering in Phil’s mind? It means he feels so bad to put Lina through that and hates Kim more. He will always put Lina above himself now. Having said that, I do feel icky though
Lol. OK good about the scene being over and we’re in the clear for now. I’ll probably read it over and over again. I’m so weird. I got Colleen Hoover’s All Your Perfects from the library. She’s a hit and miss for me but a good writer. This couple reminds me a bit of Phil and Lina. The heroine is being tortured with infertility and infidelity.
I read scenes over constantly Lol….Let me know how you like the book you are reading. I have had trouble getting vested in any book lately because I’m so eager for this one.
Tracie, get it from the library. It’s too expensive. I’m the same way these days. I couldn’t finish Carian Cole’s book. I just wasn’t invested in the characters. This one is good(I had no idea I would seek out cheating theme after WPF but I’m drawn to it now) It’s a fast read and I’m almost done. The hero says this when caught cheating. “It’s my fault. I did that. I fucked up. But I didn’t fuck up because I was attracted to her. I fucked up because I miss you. Every day, I miss you….The heroine has infertility issue and didn’t want to have sex. It’s not Laura’s writing but it’ll tide you over for a bit hopefully.
I hope it’s in his mind because he’s mad at Kim….Is my poor Phil feeling remorseful? I can’t atand it…I knew that scene had to happen….ugh
Good Morning Girls, Laura are we still at the front of the book? How is my Phil…Lol….
I would say I’m at the quarter point of the book. Phil is feeling a bit insecure I think.
Oh man…I just knew that scene would throw him into doubt and if Lina expressed all her true feelings about the pictures that was a gut punch for him. I know this is cliche but you had me at His biggest fear….some readers will thrive on that fear, and it makes me hurt for both him and Lina…..Are we still in church?
I’ve been fine tuning my picture scene. Now I’m back at church.
I feel anxious after the picture scene for some reason. Maybe that means you are going to get a surprise scene….I felt the same way after Phil telling Kim she was easy…and bam you got a surprise scene….
I feel unsettled too. Kim went from thinking she will be the new Mrs Hunter to Phil telling her she was nothing but an easy blip. How can she take that lying down? I would be in bed for a week with covers thrown over my face but we are talking about Kim. She doesn’t even believe him! I gotta laugh.
Kim is vindictive and smart. She wants Lina’s life, but like Laura said she no longer has any power,all the affair secrets are out and Phil hates her. The only thing left for Kim to do is cause hate and discontent by using Liam. Kim is a wart on the butt of humanity…..
Hi ladies! I just thought of something and you both may not like me for voicing it. Phil tells Nick that he is Lina’s air. Is that true or does Lina have doubts/second thoughts about taking Phil back? In WPF she asks Phil how they can go back and he says no, we go forward etc. She couldn’t foresee all the trouble Kim is causing now nor how hard it is seeing Liam(at least in the beginning).
Also, did Phil ever call Kim instead of texting? I don’t know why that bothers me so much more. Maybe because talking isn’t as clinical as his texts? I can totally see Kim calling Phil’s cell in WPF when he was home trying to schedule their next rendezvous.
No way! He never called her from his house with his family home.
Janet (in my opinion) I don’t think Lina has any doubts about Phil once she takes him back. Like Laura said, she has feelings of bitterness and until all the corners are swept out and they work through all the Kim and Liam issues there will be trials and tribulations for the Hunters. I personally don’t think Kim called Phil at home during the affair. The text messages lead me to believe they were spending so much time together they didn’t need to call each other. Phil did tell Lina in Chapter 15, she calls but not often and more than I would like. I don’t think that started until Phil called it quits.
I’m thinking she called his cell knowing Lina was home? To at least make Lina suspicious? Kim knew she was pregnant in March or April so she wouldn’t have been ok with being the OW for much longer but she sat on it till May. The texts were so upsetting. Thinking they called each other even for a min convo at work or at nights when Lina was around makes me want to gift both of them with shit pie from The Help!
No, Lina doesn’t have any doubts. She’s forgiven him.
And Kim didn’t start calling Phil until he stopped responding to her texts.
Lina did know they’re texting in the house, we saw that in Chapter 23 or 29 I can’t remember(?), plus they were seeing each other almost 6 days a week. The rate they were going, Kim probably thought it was just a matter of time before she wasn’t just the OW, but the wife. I don’t think Phil would have appreciated a call to his home or cell during the affair while he was home. Kim wouldn’t have wanted to upset him, during that time either.
I’m anxious to see how Kim plays her role, when Phil lets her know that he has moved back in with Lina. I don’t think she would show much more emotion than she did in Chapter 15 on the phone. I also wonder if this is when she starts Operation Rash. Who finds out first about Kim’s new address Phil, Lina or do they find out together? They could be at church and see Kim and Liam, Phil asking what are you doing here and Kim breaks the news that this is the closest church to her new house. If it is Phil though, how does he break the news to Lina? I know I have to wait for SN, but I do play those scenes out in my head…Lol
all I can think is Kim goes to church now? Lol but I do wonder about Phil’s reaction when he found out how close Kim is to his house now. Is this where he yells at Kim’s sister Laura?
No lol. That is in reaction to something else Kim does.
Oh ok. I tried. Lol. Thank you for Phil not calling. It made me ill thinking Lina is upstairs while he is arranging his 7th day “date”.
Do you girls believe ONE of Kim’s ulterior motives, is to put Phil in situations where he has to choose Liam over Lina and his other kids to cause strife within the Hunter family? I understand this is the aftermath of the affair, but Kim is a planner…..
Lord! To choose your wife or choose your kids? She sounds like a terrorist now. gah
She’d love to do this and she will try!
Easy writing today. Just family stuff and Phil’s internal struggles after going through the pics
I hope Phil can see through Kim’s schemes when she tries to put Phil in a position to choose. Please tell me the picture scene increased his disgust and hatred toward Kim knowing she didn’t have to put Lina through that but did!!!!
Not knowing when the Nick scene was about not deserving Lina, I wonder if some of Phil’s internal struggle is thinking he doesn’t deserve Lina??? Looking at those pictures probably made him sick, seeing his own actions in front of his face, I know it was a disgusting site to him. That picture of Phil and Line in the SB picture I always thought maybe there personnel stuff would be shipped to them and Lina finding the picture would throw it in the trash. Phil see it there as he throws a beer bottle away or something (Lifetime I know Laura). Poor Phil
I say burn it and trash and don’t ship anything. I don’t even think Phil slept with Kim there but whether he did or not she contaminated their condo and took a picture. Lina shouldn’t want anything from there. What do you think?
That’s not Lifetine. Not a bad idea but there was another trigger
I think they probably did sleep together there, if they didn’t it will be a Laura curveball for me (which I love). I would want my kids pictures and anything they wanted from the condo. Not that picture though, nope it would be a trigger. Can you imagine Lina’s birthday??? They get back together in April and her BD is in Oct…I bet even the kids will be nervous Lol….
Ugh you are so right. I think they slept together too. I was hoping you would agree but why would Phil struggle so much if he didn’t? But I’m confused with his behavior. He wouldn’t talk to Kim in their house but have sex with her in their other house? I guess this is where Laura said she thinks about redeeming Phil to the readers but then staying true to the characters. I’m thinking if I’m this confused with Phil, Kim probably thought they were/ are soulmates.
Mum is the word from me. You’ll have to wait for Swimming Naked
Nervous about what Kim will do? Phil should threaten her. You will never work in this town again! You won’t even see my face for a min when I’m picking up Liam! You are not a natural blonde! Ugh Laura would say she is. I give up.
I got Chrissy Teigans new cookbook. Going to try her new spicy parm chicken recipe now. Not in the mood to cook.
Kim will try and test Phil and Lina’s love and loyalty to each other by being a pain in the butt. Plain and simple she wants to show Lina what her life is going to be with her and Liam in it. Kim knows Phil is a good father and that is how she is going to try and get Phil’s attention and keep it. But I feel good knowing that Laura said Phil and Lina were on the same page….I think it will be as frustrating for Kim as it is for Phil and Lina. I do want Phil to be in touchy/protective mode when Kim is around Lina. I know Lina doesn’t need that from Phil, she can stand on her own, but I want him to feel like he needs to do it. Does that make sense?? Lol
I get it Tracie!
Can you also have Phil say F off to Kim in front of Lina? Lol
I know I’m going to have to wait on this one too Laura…but I’ve been trying to figure after the opening scene, who will it be Phil or Lina who brings up Liam first and bring him back to their home. I think it will be Lina…she will put her own feelings aside for Phil..
That’s a very good question Tracie. I’m not sure about the answer yet. But you are probably right, I hope you are anyway
I hope it’s Lina too….Can you imagine Phil’s POV if Lina and Phil were laying in bed after making love and she’s says Phil I want to try harder where Liam is concerned I love you sweetheart:…swoon..
Whoever mentions it first, that will be another pivotal scene for me, because I can only imagine Phil’s inner struggle watching Lina swallow that lump in her throat and accept his son by another woman……also Logan finally having his acceptance moment with Liam…. My Phil will swallow his on lump then….
Laura do you ever read this blog and hope our medical insurance covers our therapy? LOL. I dont do therapy, but I did get mad one time and sent a scathing email out to public distribution. I received it back in inter office mail and everywhere I said “I” was going to do something, it was circled in red pen. The bottom of the email said that I had a God Complex and needed therapy. Adele Jr decided she would get in on the action and the next day in inter office mail we received a group application for McDonald’s! LOL
LOL that’s the first story you’ve shared in a while. Isn’t this blog the therapy?
It is LOL…I enjoy talking to you girls…..My daughter has already warned me that no matter what happens with my hip anesthesia will be involved and I can’t talk to you girls for at least 24 hours. I started laughing and told her you could delete anything I said LoL…When I had one surgery I asked the preacher to kiss me…I sang I Feel Good and the surgeon came out wanting to meet my sister from Arkansas I don’t have a sister…..I have blood like spring water..LOL
Omg. Lol. You make sure you tell us you are ok. Loopy Tracie will be even funnier. Laura can delete. Are you having surgery soon?
How come you both love Phil so much? Laura because she created Phil and he is her husband. For Tracie because Phil reminds you of your husband? I’m thinking why does Lina have to sacrifice so much for this guy?
I have the CT scan tomorrow and will have a verdict on my hip Thursday or Friday. Lina is not sacrificing she loves Phil more than he hurt her…there is no getting around that….
Keeping my fingers crossed for you Tracie. And yes I have the ability to delete any loopy Tracie messages — of course if they are funny I would have no reason to.
Janet — I may be wrong but I believe you will be on team Phil by the end of Swimming Naked — he will demonstrate all of the emotions you need to see for proper redemption
I don’t know how you couldn’t already be on Team Phil after Chapter 47….Love my Phil.
Positive thoughts and energy from you j girl in LA. You are so team Phil. Lol. I understand.
Tracie is right. Lina and Phil have spent a lifetime together — she wants to be with him. This is just something they will have to go through together
Phil wouldn’t be happy without Lina either. There’s is a once in a life time love. He just got weak and he owned it….but he would never hurt Lina like that again….they’ll be stronger and he will put her first and cherish her no doubt….
Ok Laura! I don’t really trust Phil but I trust you. I think the picture scene brought out my negative emotions. I wanted Phil to explain so badly but now I’m scared to revisit those said pictures.
Good Morning Girls….I’m not scared to revisit the pictures. I hate how they will eat Phil up because of Lina’s bitterness and his guilt. Looking at those pictures through Lina’s eyes will be an emotional event for him.
How are we today ladies? Tracie you good?
Laura are we at present time now or is Kim causing more trouble?
Got my CT done today. I called for my appointment to see the doctor and scheduling said I couldn’t get in to see him until 24 Oct…You girls know me..Hell No! These crutches are driving me absolutely nuts and the doctor gets the results tomorrow or Thursday at the latest, so they ended up transferring me to his nurse and she has not called me back. Another month is unacceptable, I’m persistent. One of my mentors early in my career told me if you have to pound a steel rod until it’s a needle get your answers…LOL
That’s crazy. You should pull a Lina and just go sit in the doctor’s office!
I’m still in the past — I wish I was in the present!
What are we working on in the past? Between who?
Yes on sitting in the doctors office! I’m going to pull sleeping in the waiting room, like those idiots that sleep in a tent to buy a TV the day after Christmas.
The books starts with Lina meeting Liam and then I go back — I say seven months earlier — I’m still in that seven month period and will be for several more days
Is our Phil still struggling over the pics….I bet he despise feeling are beginning to root after that scene!
Laura during the first three months of Liam’s life, when Phil did see Liam, did he despise Kim or did the hate take root after he got back with Lina? I remember a comment where you said he couldn’t be mean to her because she had just had a baby….
I never heard that saying but makes sense. Ok they will get you in this week hopefully.
This is a good question and I wondered about Phil’s disgust for Kim yesterday. So weird. I also read your chapter 47 last night again along with my ch 22, 26-29. Omg! Why I do this to myself I don’t know. I remember Laura saying Phil couldn’t be mean at the hospital and I asked why not? Lol
I think he disliked her but was trying to be civil for the sake of Liam. The despise grows as she continues to try to insert herself in his life.
Phil was probably consumed with seeing Liam for the first time and not sharing that experience with Lina…plus the vessel did give birth. I asked Laur that question, because I’m sure he disliked her immensely for destroying his marriage…but did his hate actually take root in SN, when Kim starts her pesky rash routine with him and Lina. I can’t wait to read what Lina’s rules are for Phil pertaining to Kim….
Laura in Chapter 47 where they pulled up to the house and Lina told Phil he wasn’t coming in, he said her name and put his hand on the steering wheel and then said May I kiss you goodnight? Did Phil just need the connection with Lina or was he testing the waters to see if her walls were crumbling?
He knew the walls were crumbling. He just wanted to feel the connection.
Laura in Swimming Naked does Phil talk with Wayne or Mike about the pictures? I wondered if Diane told Wayne about the pictures on Lina’s phone and Wayne may have told Phil he knew about them if Phil brought it up first?
That would be a no!
Phil probably want those pics far from everyone’s memory, to include his own!
Is your sister still in town?
She just left!
Ok just read both of your comments. Sad about your sister leaving but now you can go back to your obsession! Ha. I know we will see exactly how Phil feels about seeing Liam for the first time and Lina not being the birth mom because I remember you adding the scene in there.
Ok I’m nagging you like a harpy at this point but will you include the running group scene in SN? If you don’t think we need it after you put Phil through the ringer I totally get it. It’s just fresh in my mind again because I read those chapters last night. Every transgression Phil committed I can recite them now. Tracie remembers Phil holding Linas face in 47 but I remember him demanding her forgiveness after seeing Emily.
LOL time will tell. Right now it does feel like a Phil bashing. Hopefully there will be a spot for that discussion later
That so cracked me up…that’s why you can’t trust or forgive him! Lol….I just can’t wait to see my possessive alpha hunk of love meat take his woman back and keep her….Wowza….
I’m Sorry I would of quit posting if I knew you were visiting….
No, you’re good. I parted with her at about 3:30. She was visiting my Dad
Is she interested in SN? I don’t know how anyone couldn’t be….
Good question. I never ask. I just talk about it nonstop.
That made me laugh out loud…..
Your family is in my thoughts Laura. I remember you saying this week is four years since you lost your mom. Mine was gone 20 years in April…still miss her too!
Thanks Tracie. I had no idea it had been that long for you. I’m sorry.
I was 34 years old when I lost my mama, she had a massive stroke at the age of 61. But I still say to this day “my mama use to say…” I not only carry her in my heart, but she comes out of my mouth constantly…Lol….
I do have a question though…Did Phil ever know how Lina worked to get Nick to treat Katie. Did Phil know she set in his office, until he would see her? I think this is another reason Nick thinks so much of Lina…
Hi. Your question leads me to think does Phil hate nick more because he helped Katie when Phil turned his back(so to speak) on his family for four months? Not only did Nick fall in love with Lina but Katie looks up to him as well. I think Laura will say we are delving too far into it.
Think about it Janet, Phil not only let another woman into his marriage, but a man as well. I asked Laura once if Phil was upset with himself because he was not paying attention and another man slipped in on Lina. She said yes. He never thought about Lina and another man, then he had the doctors appointment with Nick and bam….he had a rude awakening. Phil’s family all adores Nick, and in SN he still can’t really shake Nick with Logan and Brian going to the same school. Nick listened to Lina when Phil was being to selfish to realize she needed to talk and he needed to listen. Ugh…
I believe the affair started about 4 months after Katie started seeing Doctor Drayton
Yes I’m sure she would have told him.
I wonder if Lina helped Phil move his stuff home from his rental? in the book, she came home and hadn’t his brother help him move completely out?
LOl no she didn’t help him
If Lina helped in moving Phil home, he could leave that house in a blaze of glory with a little steamy before he gave back the keys…ya know a
You are too funny trying to sneak a steamy! Who would think, move out from a rental but before dropping the keys off…Lol. Phil better have been working the day Lina sat in Nicks office all day(s) trying to get an appt. if he was entertaining the skank in NY while she was fighting for Katie’s life/future I … I … no words
I don’t think he was in the affair then. They were fighting over her is why the affair started.
LOL. the affair started later. Their fighting didn’t start until after Drayton entered the scene
Laura what was Phil thinking in Chapter 32, when he told Katie on the phone he loved her and she just said Bye Dad! I can’t imagine knowing Logan was to emotional to talk and Katie just saying bye. Also, did Logan not go to dinner with Phil thatTuesday night, is that why they had the conversation they did in Chapter 38?
Phil just wanted her to know he loved her. I don’t think he expected her to say it back. Logan did go to dinner. He was just upset so Phil talked to him
I cannot wait for you to finish this book….it will take us a good six months to discuss it after we read it Lol…Then we got Nick and the QB to talk about…
We’re todays scenes an easy write?
Yes! Fun scene today
Who was the fun scene with…Lol
Poor Laura! Lol. She won’t ever get rid of us. That’s right- nick prossi! I married a big giant nerd so I loge reading about athletes. Can’t wait for Leo and Nick and possibly this Nick and on and on!!!!!!! But first you are to need a vacation to regroup after SN. You will come home to 10k comments from Tracie and me.
LOl no doubt there will be questions.
We will absorb SN like a sponge….i hope we don’t spoil it for anyone that doesn’t read as fast as we do…and come to the blog to check in…because our Chapter by Chapter discussion will start immediately. I can’t wait…then Laura, we have got to teach the QB not to be snatchy grabby! I then need to swoon over Nick Prossi!
Laura are we still living the dream today…Good and fun scenes?
LOL not exactly. A family scene
It isn’t a bash Phil family scene is it! Poor Phil… the family scene when they talk to the kids about Liam doing weekends is going to be something…I can just feel it…
No Phil bashing. I promise
That’s good I’m a little tired of him being bashed….he needs some steam…Lol. In SN does Lina ever tell or insinuate to Phil that she could never go through another betrayal? I know Phil would never even contemplate doing it again, i didn’t know if she would want to say it to him out loud.
Hi Ladies! What scene is for today Laura? I have been glued to the Kavanaugh hearing so MIA yesterday. I have thought of this today for SN. Is Katie fine with Phil now? Is Megan jealous of baby Liam at all? We haven’t talked about her much.
I’ve barely written in the past three days. My dad fell and fractured his hip on Wednesday. Operated today and seems fine. He’s 83 so it’s a big deal.
Shit! So sorry Laura!!! My dad is 83 so I know it’s a big deal. Gosh I hope he has a fast recovery. You must be so worried. Ugh my father underwent skin cancer surgery 3 days ago too so I’m not my usual salty self either. Ok hope you take some time out with your family.
Well I hate that too J-Girl. Both you girls take care of those precious men!
Thanks. Sorry for you too. I guess it’s been a tough week for all of us.
It will take my mind a couple of days to get back into the flow. Interruptions like this are tough
Oh my gosh I’m so sorry….yes it’s a big deal. Glad he’s doing good….My Drs nurse called me today can’t give results over the phone and told me to call every Monday to see if they had a cancellation…ugh….
Keep us posted on how your dad does….
That’s ridiculous! Why can’t the doctor call you?
I don’t guess that’s an option. It’s so aggravating…. Hope your dad is resting well…
Checking in girls, hope both your dads are doing well today….
No writing today — was at the hospital with my Dad. Wouldn’t walk. Ugh. Hopefully tomorrow. I’ll start writing again on Monday. Need a clearer mind. One positive — I was in the middle of a relatively happy scene so the characters are in a good place lol
I hate that he wouldn’t walk. My dad was like that too, he just didn’t want to go through the pain. Maybe Physical Therapy will come tomorrow and help him walk. You write when you are ready, our characters aren’t going anywhere. Plus, there is nothing more tiring than setting in a hospital.
I remember when my grandma had the same surgery she couldn’t walk for days then couple more months of pain as she was healing. What a nightmare. It’s so hard worrying about your parents….. so agree with Tracie. Phil and Lina and even Kim will stay put. Take care of your daddy!
Thanks girls! I miss my friends (both book and blog!)
How is your dad today Laura? I’m hoping he took a few steps, if not he will.
Hi. Everything is fine here. The Dr said there’s only 2 % chance of the cancer coming back to the same spot. My father doesn’t like to use sunscreen and he golfs 4x a week so he’s lucky it was detected early. It taught all of us to put that sunscreen on before going out.
I always use sunscreen and don’t get burnt. I had to have my face burnt off one time with Carac cream because of skin cancers and I’ll never go through that again. Now I have a Vitamin D deficiency…..I just can’t win Lol….
Things are finally looking up. I’ve started writing again. My dad is in a nice rehab facility with his own room and starting to cooperate!
Hallelujah! Thank God he’s better and in a nice place. Nice rehabs are hard to find here so your dad is lucky. And thank God again you are back!!
Laura just food for thought…..You could throw us a little snippet of a steamy or Phil thrashing Kim scene to get us back adjusted and all….Either would work for me, but J-Girl would be all about the thrashing Lol…. I’m just saying or more like begging if the truth be known…
You are soooo funny! I got on to tell you guys that I reread all our past posts last night(man we talked Laura’s ear or in this case eyes off) and saw this. I was preparing myself to put Lina and Phil aside for a few weeks but I’m so grateful that is no longer necessary. Laura when my grandma had a nurse in her apt after surgery and when my mom went to rehab for her femurs, we occasionally brought treats for the therapists/nurses there. I did it from my heart but yes it was a bribe of sorts too. I think they appreciated it as much as I appreciated their help. I’m sure you all have it figured out but who doesn’t love cupcakes or cookies?
And yes, a snippet to tide us over would be wonderful. I will re re re reread the beginning of WPF tonight. Feel like revisiting the first few chapters again.
You are just going to get mad over the pink tie J-Girl. I love cupcakes and sugar cookies….Lol…
Hi Sister! So glad your dad is doing better and decided to play the rehab game….When my husband got his knee replaced there was a lady across the hall that would not get up and when she finally did, he hollered across the hall “way to go Ladybug”, she flipped him off…LOL We’ve missed you much too….when you get your bearings let us know where you are and where we are going…..I’ve got to get my mind back on my Phil too…been busier than a cat covering it up today!!!!
Thanks! That is a very good idea — bringing treats. They do have a hard job.
I’m sure this will just rile the two of you up but Tracie did ask for something LOL….
“It is after midnight,” Lina said. “You have no business calling our home at this hour.”
“I don’t?” Kim laughed softly. “I’m calling the home of my son’s father. I think I can call at any hour I want. Would you put him on the phone?”
OMG!! Can I say I have missed this witch the last week? Love HATING her! No words for now. Once I get my thoughts back in order I’m sure I’ll have a hundred questions from the 3 lines. Why the heck is she always calling at midnight and is this in the beginning before they change the landline?
Yes, they treated my mom like a friend and was hugging my family not to leave when the time came. lol
P.S. I said swoon or thrash…rile was no where in that message LOL. You did that on purpose, but I LOVED IT! Janet is looking for something to throw that is why she hasn’t responded. Hahahaha
That more than pissed me off…who does she think she is…I would have hung the damn phone up….
When she tells Phil what that witch said, he better lay into her…. no wonder his biggest fear is Lina leaving again. No it would be better if Lina laid into her….who lays into her??? Pulling hair here….Unless Phil was in the shower he had to have heard the phone or may be he picked the extension up in his office and him and Lina are both on the phone and he tells the biotch off while Lina listens. Oh yes, that would be primo!
I say all her calls should be on speaker. The power of Kim’s bitchiness is lost in translation. Phil needs to hear it for himself. Why why why Phil? As soon as I go home, I’m going back to my obsession! The kids better not have a lot of homework tonight.
Now that you said it, they will….I think Phil knows she’s a bitch…but she is trying to rub it in Lina’s face again and I would have to set some ground rules if I were Lina….Can you imagine though when Kim calls and the phone has be disconnected…Plus, that late night wedge trick shit, will kill the mood for steamy!!!! Ugh.
Is Lina mad at Phil? Does she tell Phil to have her call his cell phone so her children are not disturbed? Kim is only calling hoping Lina will answer the phone or to do the wedge trick between her and Phil. Does Phil wonder why Kim didn’t do this constant calling during the first three months of Liam’s life? Lina could say, he’ll call you back I have him tied up at the moment! LOL.
All I’ll say is that Phil was home and quickly learns of the call. Off to the rehab place. More tomorrow.
Ok. Tracie, Phil heard the whole thing. Otherwise no sleep for us tonight. That was awesome Laura!
I bet he does…I would of hung up. Then pitched the handheld at him and said call the bitch back, said she needs to talk to the father of her son!!! Then departed the area….Love you Phil…
Seriously, why is this woman calling at midnight? How is this an act of a stable human being? I think kims last words will be Phil is mine. Her headstone can read She fought to the death. I mean!!
Tracie, in WPF, Phil answered Kim’s call after the first ring. I think he let Lina answer the phone because she wanted to? Lina should have dragged out the phone convo and recorded the crazy talk. That laughing softly is creepy right?
He knew it was her in WPF and wanted to shut that shit down quick, before Lina got suspicious. Kim is trying the old wedge trick by calling after midnight. Letting Lina know what her life is going to be like if she stayed with Phil. The laugh was to let Lina know she had no control over what she did, even though that was Lina’s home. When she said put him on the phone she would of heard a click in her ear. If it was an emergency. she would of been upset not spiteful. Kim isn’t creepy she’s mean and spoiled and also a power monger. That’s why when Phil or Lina cancels the home phone, it would be hilarious when Kim gets the disconnection recording. Lol
Janet fun scenario: After Lina departs the area as stated above….Lol….. She goes to the kitchen to pour a glass of Chardonnay (who wouldn’t need a drink after that)…then she heads for the outside deck (it’s summer)…Lina sets in a nice piece of lawn furniture with her feet on the deck rail ankles crossed…. Phil finishes his phone conversation and starts looking for Lina, checks garage, etc…notices the alarm is in access mode and heads for the deck. Phil comes up beside her and she says: “Not a word, give me a minute.” She takes a sip of her wine and turns to Phil and says”I need to make this clear, she will not continue to rub your affair or your son in my face anymore. Phil says “Lina…Lina cuts him off “Let me finish.” I too have children and a job, unless it is an absolute emergency she better never call this house this late again. You have a cell phone tell her to use it. Does any of that need to be clarified, Phil?…….Oh yeah…Lina showing her spunk…
Ok love the scenario and kudos for alarm detail but change one small thing. I don’t want Phil talking to Kim either. Make it clear that’s Phil needs a middle man for everything. I don’t want Kim calling Phil everyday. She’s stalking them. oh and maybe Lina is the one who needs the scotch in this scene. I would need to be medicated
after kims cackle over the phone
Phil has to talk to Kim or how could he tear her up? But love the scotch idea…that tells Phil Lina is pissed….
You are right. I need them to talk. Lol. And I would like to hear more of that phone call. Kim is so much better than a side supporting character.
Kim’s character is good, but she’s an evil ho-bag….I love though that she tries to dictate to Lina her house rules….I would of hung up, then immediately left the phone off the hook, while I went to each room pulling the other phone cords out of the phone jack. Then all she would get was a busy while I was unplugging the other phones and then when I pulled the plug on the one off the hook she would just get a constant ring with no answer. I’d force her to call Phil’s cell phone and if she continued to disturb my sleep, Phil and his cell phone would be in the basement. You make your bed you lay in it….That would force Phil to get control of the witch! Lina might sleep walk down there around 2 am but he would go nee night by himself until after the nightly ring a ding!
LOL love it!
Good Morning Girls, I’m still feeling the bite of last nights snippet. That was total disrespect to Lina, the way Kim talked to her on the phone. I hope Phil puts a stop to that immediately, if he continues to allow Kim to disrespect his wife then his fear of losing Lina would be founded… I hope Phil understands Lina can’t be treated like that, especially in her own home.
I wonder if this is the new number Kim was calling. That would be crazy and probably not but what if! She talked to Lina as if she’s a second class citizen. Hope Phil heard every word and shreds her. So mad!
I think Lina’s reaction alone would key Phil in on how the conversation went prior to the handoff of the phone. May be they were in bed when she called, but wasn’t the phone in their room on his side of the bed, when Kim called in WPF? I’m going to have to read that Chapter again. The phone could now be on Lina’s side of bed now since they were separated for 6 months.
It doesn’t say which side(fresh in my mind from last night) the phone is. Just that he answered on first ring so we can assume it was on Phil’s side. Midnight, they should be in bed so why didn’t he answer? If he’s working on a case and in the office, again, why didn’t he answer first? I’m thinking he was getting ready for bed and was in the bathroom or he let Lina answer. Ugh. Don’t revisit the beginning. It’ll just rile you up more. I stopped after the wedding scene. I so wish Phil heard Kim’s lie before Lina slapped her for it.
I do too…what keeps me calm is Laura saying this book is justice for Lina and Phil and Lina are on the same page.
Laura how is your dad?
Oh shoot. Hope he’s getting better. Such a slow healing process. Don’t give up!
I did write all day and then ran over to the rehab center to say hello to my father. I ended staying all evening. He’s fine — just not happy about the situation.
Aging is rough I think.
I need to catch up on the conversation.
Glad he’s good Laura…aging is rough and I think I’m in fast forward with this dang hip!
Glad to hear everyone’s OK. So true. If I don’t take my daily glucosamine I can’t even type you guys and let’s not get started on taking care of your aging parents! It trips me out at times because I have the wrinkles to prove it(and Botox to hide it) but I still love listening to my snoop dog. You know? Guys, listen to Shallow the new track on a Star is Born if you haven’t yet. So so good. Reminds me of songs from the 80s and can’t believe Bradley cooper is actually singing. Can’t wait to see this movie(I never watched anything with this guy).
Be careful with that Botox J-Girl. My daughter-in-law works for a doctor that gives herself the shots constantly and her face would look like a natural addition to Mt Rushmore….
That made me laugh. I only do it twice a year and just under my eyes but yes I’ll be careful.
Good Morning Girls….I have just a random question…Phil and Lina see Nick at school/Lacrosse events, do they ever see Nick’s ex-wife?
I’m sure they do but she isn’t relevant to the story so she isn’t in it
Sorry Laura…one more question….are you still at the front of the book?
LOl Yes I am.
You know what question is coming. Happy scene? Sad scene? Mad scene? Kim??
You forgot Steamy Scene…..I’m just saying….
Laura how do the kids feel about the late night calls? To me, Kim’s intrusive behavior prior to Lina and the kids meeting Liam, only makes it harder for them to accept him. Does Phil wonder the same thing?
I wrote the scene that follows the phone call scene. Not happy or sad. Just a scene leading to the next scene and as to your other question. You’ll see in the sequel!
I asked that question because I thought to myself, if the kids were disgruntled because they would have to put up with Kim because her and Phil share a child and Lina thinking this is my life. Poor Hunters…
Laura does Logan know Phil wants him to switch schools? I know you’re going to say sequel, but you can’t blame a girl for trying?
LOL I’m trying not to ruin the book for you. But no, Logan doesn’t know.
I appreciate that to Laura. But me and Janet can’t help but ask even though we know what your answer will be…Lol. They just pop in my head and I have to ask….
Ooh. I can’t wait for that after scene in the sequel! Tracie’s southern manner came out and called the psychos outrageousness an “intrusive behaivor”. Lol. If Logan heard that phone call He would be so mad. “I can’t believe that woman is still calling you at our house. Why should mom put up with you? You can leave with Liam and go live with them because I can take care of mom. We don’t need you!” Or rather that’s what I would say. This is so frustrating. I’m literally biting my nails how this will all resolve in the end. Laura will you have a big finale/showdown at the end? Lol
Hope daddy is better today
LOL do you really think Phil would let Logan talk to him that way?
Fine! Lol. I’m just upset about the laughing softly on the phone. Was Liam even there that night? What if Kim says I just wanted to hear my sons and his fathers voice. Haha. It’s midnight you creep!
No Phil wouldn’t allow that at all, but as Phil grows he’ll have to learn to navigate Logan’s feelings. Lina and Logan are taking the biggest hit from Phil’s betrayal and those are the two that will be where most of his guilt comes from in SN.
I’ll have several pivotal moments in SN, but Phil, Logan and Liam finding peace together will be a big for me.
I’m also wondering if Logan will try to show his defiance by not being home on Liam weekends? I wonder if Phil would be uncomfortable talking to Liam about safe sex, since he didn’t practice it himself..
I know this would never happen but Janet will like it…Phil telling Logan to use condoms and Logan saying: “That’s rich coming from you.” Poor Phil…I do love him…but he set his self up for ridicule. Don’t worry Phil you will rise out of the ashes…..
Laura are we closing in on the snowstorm?
Hi J-Girl, I think it will take 500 to answer all the questions we threw out Lol…. Have you thought about how it’s goimg to end? I’m thinking maybe she meets an older rich man that’s has his kids in college, ready to travel and doesn’t want to raise Liam so she drops him off with Phil???
I laughed so hard. That’s true Tracie! Yes I have been thinking and can’t come up with a believable ending. I can’t see her falling for another guy. Phil is her obsession. He’s it for her. I say kill her off as usual. Lol. That’s more believable than her falling in love to me. Ooh maybe she gets acid thrown on her face and she can’t live like the phantom of the opera and commits suicide. Or just have her move to Greece with an oil tycoon and since yacht life isn’t feasible with Liam she lets both Phil and Liam go. What do you think?
Or J-Girl since she is so full of herself maybe she was trying some extortion/fraud on a client and gets caught and adds a new orange jumpsuit to her wardrobe!
To like the yacht one I could see her doing that for sure. Maybe her and Damian meet and become a thing.
Ok but I just thought of this. If she gets the yacht then she doesn’t get to suffer. She lives in the lap of luxury. Phil and Lina won’t care but you and I will be so mad. Laura said this woman needs to suffer. Let’s stick to this for a bit longer
If Kim ever turns her focus off Phil it would have to be some one just as Alpha as Phil.. i hope one from the Slap-A-Ho tribe gets a hold of her. That’s what she needs.
I have at least five more scenes to write before I’m back at the scene where Lina meets Liam. I’m not sure how long the book will be. Time will tell…
I’m currently at memorial weekend.
That’s a total of 12 months since the affair ended….Are the Hunter’s happy at Memorial Day?
I would say yes to that question.
I’m anxious to see how Liam wins everyone over. My two year old grandson is spending the night and he ran up to me when I got home from work and said “Mimi I been cying (no r) for you.” I said oh baby I’m sorry and hugged him to my legs…then the little sweetie looked up at me and said “can I have a popsicle now.” He was conning me the whole time. Lol
Yay! At least 5 more before… awesome
I know I’m so excited I wouldn’t care if she had 50 more….
We can only dream for the 50 more! Did you hear that Laura? Lol.
Your grandson is so so cute and so smart. My nieces ages 6 and 8 still use that trick on me. I love you so much emo(aunt in Korean). Your my favorite. Can I have chocolate? My son uses the other truck-you look skinnier. Did you lose weight? Kids! Love my bebes!!
They learn from an early age Lol….
Hi guys! Snowstorm was at 80% mark of the book no? Laura are we looking at close to 500 pages for SN?🙏
Hi Girls…how is everything with the Hunter’s today? Hope you girls had a good day. Oklahoma is a buzz right now..Tomorrow is the OU vs Texas football game BOOMER…SOONER….
We are mid summer. A short scene with Nick, Phil and Lina and then a scene with Lina and Adele. Now Alice’s wedding through Phil’s eyes.
Football — fun!
Does his POV start before or after Lina takes his hand and says “with you always with you.”?
I also forgot to ask about our dregs of society…where is Kim?
I bet Phil had a hand on Lina in the scene with Nick?!?That was probably a little tense for Lina….
Starts before it. Yes lol. Phil always touches Lina when nick is around.
Kim had her moment yesterday. Now she’s laying low. Probably have a scene with her tomorrow
Well at least we can sleep well tonight knowing Kim’s in her bat cave…Lol
When you say she had her moment (you know I can’t resist)…trouble making or Phil bashing her??
How is your dad doing in rehab?
Her moment trying to manipulate Phil.
My dad is walking with the assistance of a walker. They think he’ll be out in a few weeks.
How are you doing? No doctor’s appt yet?
Hello!! Nick and Kimand Phil’s POV?! I can’t wait. I’m away now through next week but will check in. Thanks for Q and A you guys. Made me feel a bit giddy knowing I will read both Kim and Nick back to back. Good night!
Glad you dad is doing better. I’m still the same I call scheduling twice a day but still no cancellations. Good night girls….
Janet have a good and safe week.
Good Morning Girls, Laura I was wondering will there be scene for Lina’s BD? That would fall within the 7 months. That might give us all anxiety. The 1st anniversary of their separation and the pictures. All those memories and emotion a month before she meets Liam for the first time, could of pushed her reaction in the direction of rejecting him in the first scene of SN.
Good morning! Yes there will be a bday scene
Yes!!!!! You just made my day…Lol…Phil thinking about the scene at Nick’s, the bathroom when he got him, having to move out and then looking at the pics with Lina….Oh my I just got anxiety flutters!! Lol
Can you imagine….Kim makes sure to call Phil on Lina’s BD with same lame Liam excuse and right before she hangs up say: “By the way Phil, tell Lina Happy BD, I would of sent a gift, but I knew I couldn’t top last years!” I made my own self mad typing that Lol!
Hi Girls, it has rained all day. If I wasn’t so cheerful, it might have got me down…Lol….Laura I had to check in on you and my Hunter’s. I keep thinking about which way you are going to go with the BD scene. Is Lina going to want to skip any celebratory type activities, tell Phil not to send roses or maybe borrow some Rottweilers to ensure the FedEx man can’t make deliveries??!! I know I have to wait…Lol…but I still can ponder….🤔
Hi! We are still waiting for Fall weather. Crazy how warm it still is. I was discussing that exact scene with my sister tonight. Ugh. Poor Lina
There have been tornadoes dropping North of us.. it is raining and muggy hot. That scene has been giving me anxiety. The scene will be hard for both Lina and Phil. The picture scene has already taken place between Phil and Lina in SN, so he knows how the photos hurt her. In WPF, the photos were propped against the roses by the door, I wouldn’t want them anymore. Poor Phil too, based on how you write the scene. Lina telling Phil that she doesn’t want to celebrate her BD, it was a devastating day for her, just treat it like another day for now on….That would kill him. I think it would also increase his anger/hate toward Kim. Poor Lina is right! Are you about at that scene?
So poor Lina. She must have anxiety on her birthday. I would not go near that door after telling Phil 20 yr rose tradition is now ruined so don’t bother sending the flowers. Then have Knight stake the door and bark like crazy so no packages are left by door.
However, if Lina’s kids wanted to celebrate her BD she wouldn’t want to disappoint them. Phil gave roses to Lina every year on her BD too. Maybe the Hunter’s did go out to dinner as a family and Kim waltzed into the restaurant. So many options, I don’t know how you pick Laura.
I’m sorry I was MIA today! Family duty called. I was thinking and thinking some more about the birthday scene. I keep thinking what Laura said about Kim being a planner so I don’t think she would spring something on Linas bday bc it may be expected of her. But I don’t think it’s in her to lay low either and have this opportunity pass so maybe a surprise after the birthday? Im betting she had something in the works for awhile since her wrecking plan worked so well last time. If she had pushed it just bit further it may have resulted in divorce and Phil would now be hers. So many what if scenarios! You know I reread the photos scene last night to think how phil would explain the pictures to Lina and I couldn’t come up with anything positive. The dancing pic really was on the dance floor if Linas not mistaken and unless Phil slept alone at SB I don’t know how Lina can heal knowing that. At least I will know why Phil acted so recklessly without giving more thought to consequences. Gah gah gahh
I read the picture scene again last night too. It just wears me out when I do. I soak Lina’s pain up like a sponge. Phil didn’t look at those pictures in WPF, if he did he was so numb he didn’t take them in. I wonder if she tells Phil, “I thought that look was only for me.” “You are looking at her like she is the only woman in the world for you.”
I can only imagine the guilt he feels for causing Lina so much hurt. I’m so hoping the picture and BD scenes fuel his anger toward Kim. I also wonder if Phil stays home from work (if it’s a work day) to ensure no surprises happen, since Kim is a planner. But Kim has no power left, she laid all her guards on the table. This is like that old show Lets Make A Deal, I don’t know which door to choose. Lol.
Laura is this what you mean when you said Phil learns the full ramifications of his actions?
NO lol — partly maybe
Laura in SN, will Phil worry about the type of men Kim will bring around Liam, knowing she is easy? I also wonder if he will worry about how Kim could manipulate Liam as he gets older. Poor Phil…he as a lot to wonder and worry about on both sides of the WPF.
Phil isn’t the worrying type generally. He is more an action guy
Hi guys! I forgot to ask you Laura, how did Phil’s meeting with Kim’s father go? Does Phil understand why her father dislikes him? I wonder if Phil ever feels bad for using Kim(can’t believe I just asked you that)?
I just sucked wind when I read that J-Girl. They were using each other. I hope he doesn’t feel any remorse after what she did to Lina…..Phil probably thought she knew the score just like he did, physical fling.
Laura what did Phil think when Kim told him she loved him in Chapter 15? I hope he thought who cares!
I’m hoping he was disgusted. Shock and horror sounds good too. But as a woman i would say did you not see this coming Phil?
I agree with he should of saw some connection after four months and the dance picture showed they were cordial with each other. It all boils down to the organ Phil was thinking with, wasn’t his heart!
He thought nothing. He was just focused on Lina
You’ll see in the sequel lol
No he doesn’t feel bad. Maybe if she hadn’t come after Lina and gotten pregnant he would have.
Laura that’s what I need…right there..him defending my girl Lina! I want him to tell Kim, that Lina’s name better not ever cross her lips…..or if she hurts Lina, Phil scares the shit out of her like in the snippet with Kim’s sister. That’s right…
In WPF, I remember thinking Lina did all the action or firsts In their road back to each other. She was the first to initiate conversations after the separation, joining forces for Christmas, kissing Phil on the Lacrosee field, and sending the text about the dance pictures. He froze her out and initiated the separation agreement. I know he was giving her time and space to gain her independence and possibly forgive him, but it seemed he wasn’t doing much action. But I chose to believe my Phil was suffering in silence. That’s why I always wondered and drove you nuts asking questions about what were those 6 months of separation like for him.
Until Christmas Phil assumes Lina was sleeping with Nick
There’s more kudos for my Phil! Since he was assuming Lina was sleeping with Nick, he could of went out one night standing it and he didn’t!!!!👍
Girls, I just had a realization and you’re going to think I’m nuts, but…I need Phil to defend Lina! I’m reading back through some chapters in WPF. I don’t see where Phil ever defended Lina. She was a ship without a rudder taking several massive blows from Kim and he just said she’s trying to hurt you, etc…but we never saw Phil defend Lina. There is no doubt Phil got caught in a perfect storm and I’m Team Phil all the way, but that’s what I need to see…#justiceforlina!! I’m such a dork LOL….
Ok I think I’m going crazy too now because I’m wondering if Phil made Kim a crazy lunatic. Don’t get me wrong. I still hate her more than mayonaise and I know her personality is innate but she was never like this about another man before Phil. He used her but I don’t think she used him. I know I would be the last one to excuse everything she did to Lina and the family but I’m wondering if Phil put her over the edge. Lord. Laura you can still kill her off and Tracie and I’ll be fine!
If she was always like this, Phil can’t be to blame for pushing her over the edge. I think her being so narcissistic, she miss read Phil’s actual intent, because after all who could resist her (in her mind). But I can see what you mean in someway, when it came down to Kim or Lina, he dropped Kim without looking back. There was never a choice for Phil and Kim can’t accept that….
Kim wanted Phil. She was mesmerized by him. She went after him not caring that he was already taken
I laughed. What a hit to Kim’s ego. She tells a guy she loves him and probably thinks she’s giving Phil a gift fit for a king and Phil thinks nothing. As a normal person I would be so mad and hurt. For a person like Kim this must mean fight to the death. Laura you and your sister were discussing the pictures? For an upcoming scene?? Ooh. Lol
I thought they were talking about the BD scene? But I agree, I re-read Chapter 15 and he made her “I love you” about him Lol….loved it….Phil staying with Lina is throwing every knife digging comment and stunt she pulled on Lina right back in her self righteous face. POW 💥
I know Kim’s family is the other half of Liam’s family, but why would Phil care what her dad thinks about the affair he had with Kim? His concern should be how Phil is a father.
Her dad is probably Phil’s contemporary. Maybe in 50s rather than 60s? Phil doesn’t give a fig I know. Kind of disturbing to think he has to deal with that side of Liam’s family. Yuck
Phil shouldn’t have to deal with her family anyway, unless Kim was completely out of the picture and he had to let Liam see his grandparents and aunt. Phil is all about being in control and protecting his family, only being a part time dad to Liam is going to drive him nuts. I wonder if Phil’s own dad pointed that out to him during their scene together.
Laura I just have to ask…is Phil and Lina having anytime for steamy during this adjustment period????
They have plenty of time for steamy!
Oh good it’s been awhile since you said I just did a scene Tracie will really like…I thought my Phil may be in distress with his complicated life. LOL
Lol. I just want to have some surprises for you
Awww thank you…I love surprises….you’re awesome. Hope your Dad is doing well.
Good Morning Girls….are we at the BD scene yet Laura? I’ve got myself geared up for anxiety mode to help get you through it….Lol
I appreciate that! I’m currently tweaking existing scenes. Some of the scenes from later in the book have been moved earlier. I’m all over the place. Not my favorite way to write but it was necessary
It is going to be so good Laura, can hardly wait…
I continued to call the doctor and since we are under a tornado watch and foul weather through tomorrow…My doctor had a cancellation for early tomorrow morning…..I don’t care if there is a tornado, I’ll call the Coast Guard for a helicopter drop….I just want off these crutches…Lol
Excellent News, Tracie! so happy for you!
Awesome Tracie! God luck tomorrow. Tornado!!! Sheesh
Thank you girls…I’m excited to know one way or another. I’m to active to be this still…Lol
I got an outfield question…Would Kim ever threaten Phil to take Liam and move, since she has full custody? I don’t think Kim ever would, but I could she her threatening to do it out of spite.
There was a situation at work, wherein a dad had it stated in his visitation/child support agreement, she couldn’t take the child and move out of state.
Oh this happened to my friend. She had full custody yet couldn’t move back to east coast because of kids. the husband wouldn’t allow it. I can see Kim trying this. If Lina doesn’t want to see Liam would Phil allow this?
No Phil would never allow Kim to take Liam out of state. It is going to be hard enough on Phil to be a non-custodial parent with just visitation. Lina is going to buckle, she loves Phil and knows Phil would be miserable without a relationship with Liam. She even acknowledged that fact in WPF.
Book Ending thought…Would Kim agree to joint physical/legal custody, where they split Liam living between the two households? Two weeks with Phil, two weeks with Kim.
I just can’t see Kim in their lives. She is the bane of Phil and Linas existence. She needs to go away unless she has a personality transplant and even then I dont wanna see her. Neither do you!
You are right..I don’t want to see Kim. What if Kim gets a terminal illness, sends her sister to ask Lina to come to the hospital and ask her to raise Liam as her own with her last breath….Bahahaha (Laura is so going to say Lifetime.)
Omg I love that one. I used to watch lifetime as a teenager and loved them. Lol. Dying of terminal illness. Losing her healthy tan and full head of bouncy blonde locks and her skin has no elasticity from lack of collegan. Kim probably won’t give in to Lina even at the end of her life. She will die hating her. But I like that. I read a book with that same ending a few months back.
LOL No girls!
Laura when you leave us unattended for long periods of time we seem to lean to the dark side LOL!!
Kim wouldn’t have to agree to that. If Phil wanted that he could probably get it — legally anyway. At least in this state
Think about these questions:
Would Lina quit her part-time job to be a stay at home mom for Liam, if need be?
Once Logan accepts Liam, who will be the coolest to Liam, Katie or Logan?
My granddaughter and grandson always play that game with our toddler grandson…”Who’s the Coolest”, and when he picks our 15 year old grandson it kills our granddaughter. The baby just laughs at them both, because the spotlight is on him…Lol
LOL good question. I’m guessing Logan would have an advantage because he’s male
He would go with Logan. Our granddaughter babies the baby and she loves him to death, but with our 15 year old he thinks he’s a big boy. They take out the trash together, play basketball and wrestle.
Laura are you editing today? Any Kim scenes today? You know I love Kim’s suspense thriller scenes as much as Tracie loves her steamys. What am going to do when we can’t come up kind wedge trick scenarios. I will be so bored! Haha
I was busy with my father today. I’m hoping to get back on track in the morning.
Hope he’s doing well…
so stressful! I do hope he is better.
We won’t get bored…Laura will throw us a bone and we will attack like feral dogs…..just like we did with every snippet she has thrown our way..LOL. I think we did about 150 comments over the phone snippet and it was what 5 lines??
5 lines and continuous running commentary on Kim’s laugh alone. so true.
a NO from Laura on terminal illness which is too bad. and no on killing her off, no on greek tycoon(don’t want her happy anyway). So then what else is there? Maybe she skids off a cliff never to be found again. Doesn’t MD have a lot of those winding roads?
Fun Scenario Janet….The Lacrosse Team is having their end of the year sports banquet, it is a dinner cruise for the parents and players around Baltimore Harbor. Kim comes up with a fabricated excuse, pushing Phil into having to pickup Liam. Phil calls Lina and she is upset and she knows Logan will be angry about Phil missing the banquet. Phil is pissed, he knows Nick will be on that dinner cruise with Lina, plus Logan is going to be hurt and mad. Liam is teething and fussy. Phil tries to feed Liam and he sneezes carrot all over his dress shirt. The night wears on and Liam won’t sleep because his mouth hurts. Phil hears Lina’s car pull into the garage and her and Logan come into the house, Logan kisses Lina and thanks her for going, without a look or comment for Phil heads upstairs. Phil thinks Lina is absolutely stunning in a merlot colored off the shoulder silk dress, with black high heel sandals and her hair is in a elegant messy bun. Knowing Nick had her company and Logan is hurt guts Phil. Phil stands before Lina with a fussy teething toddler and dried carrots and snot on his shirt…Poor Phil….
Good one. Poor phil but lol. Lina looks stunning as usual and had a great time with nick. Hahaha
For the record, since I’m Team Phil, he wouldn’t have missed the banquet knowing Nick was there, nor would he have hurt Logan. Katie would have had to babysit….Love Phil!!!
Good News Girls, no hip replacement, just drilling the holes in my femoral head. Surgery Monday morning….Yes!!
That’s better than hip replacement so it is good news. What is the down time for that?
I’m off work for a week and four more weeks on crutches ugh….absolutely no weight on my leg. The bone will be weakened from the drilling of the holes, it has to heal.
Laura I had a thought…does Phil’s Little sporty stick shift BMW have a backseat for Liam’s car seat?
Oh no. I wish my book was done.
Yes, BMW M6
Oh lol. I didn’t realize it was m6! I used to drive a m5 in my 30s. Bahaha. I’m sure m6 has way more hp. I hope he’s driving slow with Liam in the back seat. Hate he thought the home wrecker was ever in that car!
When you say tweaking, do you mean you are almost done writing Laura? I hope you have more scenes left. Sigh. I am fine waiting.
It’s not little. Its a powerful four-door sedan
Did you get all your tweaking done today? I’m so excited about this book, and see my Phil love Lina and put Ms Ryan in her place.
I’ve been tweaking all day! About to write a new scene with Phil and Wayne
I’ve gone over every ending possible and can’t wait to see your vision. I’m anxious to see the interaction of Phil, Lina and Kim, when you have them in a scene together. I know my Alpha will be in full protection mode. I wonder how Kim talks in front of Lina, knowing Phil is hearing her every word. Kim treated Lina like she was trivial trash in the phone snippet. I wonder if she will do that in front of Phil? I’m all to happy to see Kim live the consequences of her actions!!
I can’t wait either. I hope to God Phil hears every word that comes out of this whackos mouth. He just has to this time.
I wonder what others think how this will all end? What happened to Carrie, Deighj, Liana, Linda, and Veronica?! What do you Ladies think?
That’s right girls where are you???? Laura’s heading for the finish line and don’t miss cheering her on, she deserves it….
J-Girl I don’t know if Kim will be condescending to Lina in front of Phil or not, she doesn’t want to wake the beast. You remember how brutal he was in Chapter 30 and he is in love with Lina. But I have a feeling Lina may step to the wench, she didn’t have a bit of trouble slapping the pee-diddle-do out of her at the wedding. Do you think Kim will throw daggers at Lina in front of Phil?
I still have at least a dozen scenes to write. Maybe more. I know how the book ends and at this point I know every scene so now I’m fixing dates and fine tuning scenes so that everything flows. Then I’ll write the final scenes. We ar win the home stretch. Looks like it will be a bit longer than I expected
That is awesome….Like I said from the beginning I don’t care how long it is…I’m so invested in these characters I will probably hate for it to end….you still have the BD scene to write which will probably be like the picture scene. Those are just big…
Mornin ladies. Thanks for remembering all of us Janet. Speaking for myself I can’t imagine how Phil and Lina’s journey will end but I trust Laura in making all of us happy with the ending of SN.
Since you and Tracie have elicited answers to all of my questions I’m content with checking the blog everyday, keeping up with the scenarios you two have painted. I love seeing how much in love you are with Kim. You’ve brought some much needed laughter into my life.
Tracie I hope all goes well with your recovery. You have a gift in making light a difficult situation.
I love the look of BMWs but they are way too complicated for me. I bought the x5 a few years ago and got rid of it after six months. I’ve never had luck with German cars. Phil seems like a BMW type though lol
I looked up the car on google and yes, I can associate Phil with that car, fitted suites and pure raw sex. I can see how Kim got mesmerized, but he was taken so you admire and move on….ugh… that’s why I need the defend, touchy, possessive alpha with Lina. I know you are going to make him shine. Can’t wait….
I think Kim will spew her venom at Lina when Phil’s not there. Otherwise dismiss Lina like she did on the phone. Ooh, wouldn’t it be great if Kim didn’t know Phil was behind her, and told Lina something similar like she did at the wedding? Phil would lose it.
It would be a blood bath. I wonder if Kim will drop hints of her and Phil’s sexual activities in front of Lina. I have a feeling in Swimming Naked, Phil would move a mountain if he could, before allowing his woman to be hurt again. Swoon….
I bet Kim will since that’s all she has going for her. I just thought of this. what if she tells Lina exactly when and where Liam was conceived? We all know she was trying since February but what if she tells Lina it was at Steamboat just to destroy her? If that happens I need someone nearby to whack me on my back so I don’t choke on my own spit.
Let me go look at Phil’s car. I don’t know why I thought it was a small 2 seater. I thought he was driving those little z4’s. Makes no sense since they probably don’t even make that model anymore.
She didn’t get pregnant at Steamboat the text messages show they where in her apartment or the corporate apartment middle to late March and he was born late December.
Laura I hope we get to see Phil’s POV when Logan and Liam finally connect. With my son and daughter, it was when he duct taped her Barbie dolls by their hair to the ceiling fan and turned it on high, she thought it was the coolest thing ever and that won him over. He told his dad, I expected her to cry or pout, but she laughed and told me it was fun….Lol… He always played with her when he thought no one was watching.
Janet I thought of an ending, what if Laura puts her in a coma??? Kim has to go to a long term care facility…..Think about it…she’s not dead, but she is out of the way for Lina to raise Liam and she can’t talk….perfect!!!
Hi Tracie! I like the coma idea!! The partnership not so much and Kim doesn’t deserve it especially at her age. Maybe she can decide to open up a firm in Alaska? I may be Ok with that. lol.
Laura, why does Wa