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  1. Where did everyone go?!?!?!
    I was in New York City for for a few days watching my daughter’s dog and expected to have lots of posts to catch up on. Instead everyone has disappeared!
    Hope you are all somewhere warm! It is so cold on the East Coast right now!

    And hi Tami — thanks for the message!

  2. Hi gang!

    Happy New Year! I don’t wanna get involved in Phil drama again when I’ve finally settled things with him in my head so I’ll let the new crew go at it. 🤣Meanwhile, I have a book rec for Tracie and Laura and others who like ow drama and excellent, excellent writing. Harlow Cole’s Interferences duet. I absolutely adored it! She’s a new find for me and really got me out of my romance book hump. Her writing is almost as good as our Laura’s and she’s from the DC area. It’s NA genre but the second book is all about his redemption and we all know how much Tracie loved Phil’s. The MC is an alpha through and through. Please read it and let me know your thoughts!
    Tracie, I sent you an email via GR but I don’t think it was sent. Do you have 2 accounts? Much love!

      • Tracie, it’s not hard at all. It’ll be easy like our fb group K set up. Just go on and accept my friend request and I’ll take you from there. It’s where M, K, and I chat. None of us are all that active but when we find a good book, we comment there. Meanwhile get the Interferences through KU, she is a damn good writer.

    • Hi Janet!

      Thanks for the recommendation. It’s been too long since I’ve loved a novel. I’ll check it out!

      Miss you! Laura

        • I found mine…J-Girl…it’s Tracie Howard. I have two friends Miri and Katie. I have no messages or friend requests….

          • Ok Tracie, I will send you another one. I think I requested to Dawn.

            Laura, what have you been reading? non romance recs are welcome. I started Heard It in a Love Song by Tracey Garvis Graves today. So far so good.

          • I’m reading Golden Girl by Elin Hilderbrand — Good so far — about 25 percent in. Have you read her?
            Heard it in a Love Song looks good — let me know.

          • I DNF 28 Summers bc of the couple. I get depressed with the star crossed lovers theme so I read the ending and never went back.
            Will let you know about Love Song.

  3. I think sometimes reader try to be too realistic about Phil and fling but realistically speaking we are not talking about a man who thought how dull his life had become and saw a beautiful woman he could have fun with. He wouldn’t have been in love with Lina if that was the case and lina reconnecting wouldn’t have made a much difference.
    Kim was an ace attorney she was sure of herself and she was ready to destroy a family. By barriers I think Esra doesn’t mean physical barriers but there has to be a certain thing going on that alerted her to the fact that he wasn’t going to be her usual lapdog. So she got pregnant. Cold calculation or not she had showed that she didn’t want to be a mother and getting pregnant at the peak of her career was not her priority but she did because she wanted Phil. She would have thought who wouldn’t leave their wife for a woman like her since she was in the same league as Phil.

    I am judging Phil from his inner thoughts because Lina was hurt and judging Phil affair from her point of view doesn’t give us much clarity because she wouldn’t have been able to see some reason we as a person/readers could see and understand, when she accuse Phil canceling their spring break vacation to go their with Kim he told her that wasn’t true.

    Phil has never used the word affair in his inner thoughts. Meaning for him it was just a fling nothing more than that. To be clear by this I don’t mean that he ordered her to strip and she stripped… What I meant is that realistically speaking Kim was not that begging/crying type even when she had this sick infatuation she would have been able to see that Phil had drawn a line he would never cross until she takes the matter in her own hands.

    So taking a picture (with Lina in the background where they both seemed happy) just because she could revisit the happy moments of her time seem really far fetch and unreasonable. She must have felt embarrassed by Phil rejection but she let it go because she didn’t wanted to show her cards that early.

    She was in it for a long haul and I m sure she would have put things like emotional and intimate connections in the back of her mind thinking she would have him where she wanted him in no time.

    • Phil had rejected her very harshly in SN but she acted like she wasn’t really bothered by it. So I don’t think that Phil keeping a certain space during a time when he was having sex with her would have made a much difference.
      Sorry but it is too funny and unrealistic.😂😂😂
      She agreed to the affair even when he told her he wouldn’t leave Lina.
      She would have agree to anything if it meant getting Phil into her bed. So saying she wouldn’t have the affair…. Emmm no I don’t think so.

      • Hi Mahira,

        Are you talking about my comment?

        I am saying that she had an infatuation that must be realized. So she would definitely conduct the affair/sleep with Phil(I never said she wouldn’t). And I am saying that if she think with her right mind, she would clearly know it’s a bad investment and stopped. As you can see, in SN, she was still infatuated with Phil for quite some time till she finally realized it’s not working.
        And we discussed this before, she decided that Phil said in the beginning of the affair that he was not going to leave his wife. She agreed as well because I think she probably thought that this was not the first man to say such thing but later they all gave in emotionally. So in this case, i feel that she was still not thinking with her brain but her infatuation.

        Also, what do you mean Phil keep a space??

        • Oh, i got it.
          I wrote this one sentence about if she could know that far.
          This is more a rhetorical say.

          What I mean is she couldn’t see that far after. Plus her infatuation, she just operated herself based on the moment and each context she was in that was also in line with the story timeline. For example, using the example you pointed out, when she got the words from Phil that he was just fucking her and not going to leave Lina, she accepted but was thinking it’s flexible and workable. Because when she made that decision, the context was she met this man she “loved” and agreed to have affair with her. She didn’t really know anything about this man but she got a lot of data about other men (no other men could resist her). So she made the decision to proceed based on her experience and her sick infatuation.
          So that’s what I am talking about. Her judgement was not omniscient she couldn’t know that far down the road that it’s two wasted year.

          It was a sub argument to answer ESRA that because she was just a character not us readers so she could have all the figured out . So it’s not realistic to say that she was conspiring when she took the photo of Phil inSB. It’s more like another sick infatuation moment

        • Typo: she decided that Phil said in the beginning of the affair that he was not going to leave his wife was true for the moment.

    • We thought she took the photo before waking Phil up for the blow job.

      That’s kinda what I am talking about. I mean she was an ace lawyer so she, from time to time, had sober moments that know this was not going to work. So like Laura said, she was desperate. Desperate, from what I see, meant a emotion investment(sick infatuation) and some “intelligent” calculations. That’s why I am saying that she didn’t let her mind working fully because she had infatuation. So she schemed plans that always backfired. Being reckless and sick infatuated made her do things that out of her cold character. Like zaincruise said that she was degrading herself. I would say not just herself but also her intelligence. See what she had done when she asked for Liam visitation? She didn’t make Phil and Lina so many angsty troubles and tortured them “effortlessly” and that was just her casual villainous move😮‍💨when she did not have any infatuation to him( well, she was back to the mode to only worship herself, ewww)

      And talking about Phil’s inner thoughts. I mean I like that you always come back to his inner thoughts for interpretation. But Phil was also a POV like Lina’s self pity party hit me hard but Laura told me several times that Lina was only thinking what she saw and thought. So fling or affair, Phil already said out loud that he was fucking her and it’s a fling multiple times. He barely used affair in WPF as well, even in Lina’s POV.

    • Also, because the original Tracie question was about what Kim thought…… So the argument was more about Kim’s thought. Affair didn’t work as well as what Kim originally thought so she got pregnant. Or even she sent photos to Lina for a “get even” after being slapped was sequential as in behaviors/actions. We all know what she has done, we just trying to explore her thoughts?? Isn’t what we were doing?🧐🧐

  4. I am not sure🤔. This would be too dramatic and not realistic.
    I agree wth “ill-intention” as the overall vibe of Kim&Phil’s fling is sick and unhealthy. So everything she had done in the past with him entailed this doomy atmosphere luring from behind for an attack.
    Kim took so many photos of him, those she sent Lina probably were chosen from the collection that she, after being slapped, thought could enrage Lina the most in order to make Lina break up with Phil. and I would say normal people rarely took that many photos of their lovers(they would do some loving moments like Lina took the one Phil was shaving). Kim’s behaviour was downright sick infatuation. She had this idea of wanting to own him. Also, when she took the photo with Lina’s picture in the background, I mean Phil sleeping on his side (maybe to the centre a little bit), using a smartphone to capture him sleeping, it was unlikely to not include night table in.🤔 She probably was “thrilled” that she was allowed to finally enter his space and got aroused ready for a play:her giving blowjob and naturally she expected later him fucking her. She was clingy all the way yet trying to play “cool” and it’s just Phil being too blind to notice her unnatural sick obsession.😮‍💨
    She broke down Phil’s wall meaning they started the affair?? Phil was equally active in texting for making arrangements. Tbh, he cannot just went to her directly for sex arrangement during office hours. That would be utterly unrealistic. She was an associate probably in associates office(associates usually share office or some firms arrange separated office for the senior ones). It would be too obvious and not discreet. Texting means nothing but arrangement in my opinion. There’s simply no other way.

    I remembered she texted minutes before Lina reaching out to reconnect stating “Monday is too far away.” it sounded all “normal” because Phil, even he confessed to Lina that his interest waned after SB, was not alarmed or annoyed by the text and was willing to see if there’s a chance to meet her during the weekend. Laura confirmed that if Lina did not reconnect with Phil, Phil would probably meet Kim during that weekend if he could figure out a way. I mean this was all grey and complicated.
    If we don’t see Kim’s development as a whole because as reader we got the privilege to judge from hindsight and out of timeline, Laura said she had a general idea of each of them but when she wrote each scene, those characters would behave on their own(them running and flowing thru her typing fingers).

    If we just view it as two persons having an affair, then what she did was all in line with cheaters would do (tbh most cheaters are not some innocent lovers driven by love, most of them were following lust and egos). Kim and Phil were persons living in the timeline scene after scene. They behaved according to their personality and the “current” context they were in. They cannot see past those to be conspiratorially omniscient🤔🤔
    If Kim could know what happened that far after and have everything prepared, she would not even have affair with Phil. Because she gained nothing but two wasted years. There’s one question asking Laura if Kim regret the whole thing, Laura said no because Kim doesn’t look back , what’s done is done. So we could tell that she was not omniscient so she got bad investment. of course she had plans to seduce Phil but she had no idea how things would really play out. She had a lot of presumptions plus her own “drunk” infatuation which lead to her own destruction. She was not a kind person so she had no moral baggage to not attack Lina. She was being ruthlessly resourceful when sending photos to Lina. Tbh, a lot of women now were more or less like this. When being pointed out, they simply say they are not saints😮‍💨. Sending affair evidence to wife is now the number one thing for OW to do. I have a lot of first hand or second-hand experience about this. A lot of OWs, in this case, were a lot less intelligent than Kim but chose the same way of attack. I must confess when I read this in WPF, I was neither surprised or feel too hurt by Kim’s choice of attack(the photo content for me is more vital). The way of attack was lame(a lot of people used) but “effective”(Phil got kicked out).
    So it’s simply unrealistic to see it as a months-planning attack mastered by her intelligence. If she planned weeks for this shots and to do it only for this attack, then she would be too lame and cheesy like MC in lifetime. 😮‍💨The more realistic view is a sick infatuated woman loved taking odd-hour photos of her married fling partner(her sick way of feeling possessive), later used it for a quick retaliation. Two birds with one stone: get even with the humiliation and got them separated.
    There’re sober moments in Kim during the fling and there’re less “sober” moment in that period. When I say less sober, I was saying her sick infatuation compromised her judgment. If she was as “sober” as when she emailed Phil one year later for that Liam visitation (in that scene, she was soberly calculated, reaching the full potential of her villainous intelligence to be a villain), she would give up the relationship probably one month after the affair started, thinking it was a “bad investment”. She was a Columbia Law graduate, the first in class and a “killer” in office(I assumed) not a MC in lifetime🤔.
    Speaking of Lina’s interior design taste that might display in SB, It is validated good but as some upper society snobs could get snarky against Picasso, I have no doubt that when Kim walked in SB, she would be dismissive toward Lina’s taste/decor. That’s just some entitled woman would do, maybe out of defensiveness or just being really dismissive of Lina’s style.😂

    • ESRA, do you remember the editor in Unsticky?? Kiki?
      Kim is more like her. They were morally compromised but shrewd. Kiki was nice to Graciee later because Graciee was becoming more her league than before which was a strayed dog, abusing her at work place. But Kiki’s ephemeral warmth towards Graciee was also true. Kiki’s own choice of relationship was also deeply immoral, marrying a pig as a social ladder. I have no doubt that she slept with married men in the past and destroyed some families in the past. But they are who the are. Realistic and multidimensional. I found that my peers (uni friends and colleagues) liked to watch this kind of women and found them more entertaining than others😮‍💨. They don’t want to meet them in real life but appreciate them as some post-modern twisted art work. I, on the other hand, connected fictions to real life. I like Lina and wanted to meet a Lina in real life.😮‍💨

    • Girls I keep thinking about what I said about Kim knowing at SB that Phil was not leaving his wife based on Phils reaction when they got there…

      I wondered what she thought looking at Lina’s style through the decor in her home? Did Kim in her narcissistic way of thinking, jump for joy that he brought her to his family vacation home? Could the picture taken at SB be the one that was taken with malicious intent because Phil wouldn’t sleep in the same room with her? What do you think was going through Kim’s mind that morning at SB when Phil pushed her off of him?

      I was just wondering if any of you had thought these same questions in you own mind. I have plenty of times.

      • You are right Tracie, I remember I had same discussion with Berenice about the pics. Although I knew some of them were candid shot but the pic taken at the SB house was taken with ill intention because she made sure that Lina pic was in the background. I think she had taken that pic because she wanted to hurt Lina and break them up.
        Most importantly she also wanted to test the waters. She sneaked in Phil room and took the pic and then she wanted to caught him off guard by giving him a blow job. But when he got angry 😡 at her she came to the realization how unimportant she was was in his life. And as a result became more clingy.
        I think during the fling in early stages he was keeping a barrier between them as Laura said she broke down his walls and I am assuming that’s when the text started. And tbh she would have thought in her egotistical way then that she finally had him where she wanted because she had no clue how much Phil loves Lina since he was sleeping with her. SB house scene burst her bubble 🗯 LOL 😂

        And sorry I digress but I personally think that Lina reconnecting had something to do with Kim message. She never suspected what was happening until the text. I know she could never thought that of Phil but I think it also shows how much distance she was from him.

      • Hi Tracie,
        This one is tough because I have not spent a lot of time thinking about Kim’s point of view but I think several things happened. She had tried not to think about Lina a lot because that would be acknowledging fact Phil was sleeping with another woman. I think her focus was on winning Phil over so not thinking about Lina made that easier.
        When she walked in their home, I believe she felt like she and Phil really had a shot since he brought her to SB then she walked around the house. I think envy then set in that Lina had Phil and the family wanted. I don’t believe Kim ever respected Lina so she would have looked down Lina’s style and thought it was not as modern as hers. She thought her taste was better and prettier just like she was.
        The picture in the bedroom I m not so sure had malicious intent. I think she really was enamored with Phil and thought awww look at him sleeping. She probably wanted that picture to be something for herself later but not to necessarily to hurt Lina.
        Phil not sleeping with Kim hurt Kim and I think she took the rejection at that time to mean he just doesn’t want to do it in his home not that he may be getting over me. She is a narcissist after all.

        My question Tracie is why do you think Laura agreed to keep the details of the affair out of SN after your many requests/pleas. Laura can hold her own but you’re pretty convincing yourself😉.

        • Holley!
          I agree with your answer regarding Kim and SB!

          I think Laura said many times that she believes that it’s about surviving/moving past/coping with the consequence and she thought detail is not relevant. You guys were tenacious about having all the details in the past discussions, I could tell😌. So right now, I believed this was more Laura’s “philosophy” of marriage and moving on. She was very determined to what she believed!!🤔

          • Hi Bernice,
            Yes, Laura wrote the book she wanted 🙂.
            I used to hate books involving infidelity but after SN and WPF I expanded my book collection. Some cheating books are about redemption but have ton of details about the affair. Am always like why torture myself with these details and when it’s too much I skip forward 😒.

        • Hi Holley…I didn’t want the details of the affair because as adults we know the mechanics of an affair. I didn’t need to know how and when Phil was banging Kim. What I needed to know is how this couple was going to cope and hold onto their love and life after the affair. The way Laura wrote their characters another ending wouldn’t have been feasible they were meant for each other period. I don’t think I’ve ever mentioned this before, but just a few chapters into WPF, I went to the Epilogue to ensure Lina ended up with Phil and not Nick or I wouldn’t have been able to finish the book. Laura had me convinced a few chapters in that there was no way they wouldn’t be together. I didn’t want the details of how he wronged Lina, I wanted to see the fight of a good man righting that wrong. Which Phil accomplished in spades!

          • Loved your comments girls. I always imagined Kim thinking when she stepped into the foyer of the house.. “Nice but after the divorce I want something bigger.” She also thought him pushing her off of him in the bedroom was just a minor setback. I think Phil would of also dismissed her. Telling her he needed to shower and he would meet her downstairs. Close the door on the way out.

          • Only in WPF. I couldn’t stand it Laura….by the time I hit like Chapter 6…I had to know….I was already team Phil….As a kid I always wanted to bet on a football game with my dad at halftime….What can I say😩

          • LOL — I get it. Sometimes I do that with movies. It becomes too intense and knowing the outcome lets me enjoy it.

          • Hi Tracie,
            I totally get it!
            I bought WPF but the Lina shower scene was very hard. I wasn’t sure I could finish the book. I decided to stop reading it. I bought SN, read it and then finished WPF.
            I ve read both like 10 times each now. Interesting I always skip the shower scene after Lina finds out about affair, sad for Lina and I skip where Phil talks about his son after Liam’s birth after Lina told him she hated him. I understand he needed to say what he said I just didn’t like reading about it.
            I am read SN again, lol.

          • I remember sobbing while I wrote the shower scene — ugh.
            And I agree — Phil needed to say what he did about Liam, but it was hard to take.

          • Holley me too! When I reread WPF I read the shower scene because it is one of the scenes that really pull my emotions, but I almost get mad over him telling her he regrets how Liam was conceived, but not Liam. Then Alice soothes me by telling Lina…”how could he regret his own son.” He couldn’t, but I could feel Lina feeling like she was on the outside looking into Phil’s life. For the first time, they weren’t a team it wasn’t a child they conceived together. That was in Chapter 44 of WPF, I believe. That’s why Chapter 47 is one of my absolute favorite. Phil lays his heart on the table in that chapter.

  5. After reading all of your comments I want to reread WPS and SN again!!! Don’t get me wrong
    I will feel their pain but I will also feel their strong love 😍 😍 😍 😍 😍 😍 (swoon) 😂

  6. I have to clear up something. The Thursday (last time Phil slept with Kim) was the Thursday before the Friday where him and Lina reconnected. SB was in April and the affair ended in early May. Another thing we concluded was when Kim sent Phil that message about meeting him on Saturday, after the tie incident, he never answered her, nor did he meet her. Go Lina…Because Lina and Phil had sexual that whole weekend. I can’t even imagine Kim’s desperation when he ended it knowing she was pregnant. It was probably like chasing boogers in the night..she didn’t know which way to turn.

    • Phil ended it on that Monday after him and Lina reconnected. I’m sorry you guys are having to decipher some of these comments, but I’m typing in a box the widthof a toothpick. Lol

      • Phil and Lina had sex all weekend ..not sexual LOL…I guess you could also say a weekend of sexual healing..That’s Right!

        • Yeah! Sexual healing, I would go with that definitely🧡!!
          I meant to say Phil was happily infatuated with having sex with Lina😂. He was in drought(lack of meaningful sexual activities) for soooo long😮‍💨

    • Yes,Tracie🧡
      I know!!😊
      I remembered that you said something in the past post: Phil was lost in his refound sexual and emotional connection with Lina during that weekend, infatuated himself happily and ignored Kim completely.🧡
      Once Lina reached out, the fling was dead immediately❤️
      I remembered that I was sooo impressed while reading your analysis that within minutes(before Lina said I miss you and after that), Phil changed “drastically”, the affair was a history.😌😌

      Don’t worry, Tracie. We learned all past conversations by heart🧡

  7. Tracie Love your answers as always. I love reading your comments. I have been reading them from March 2021.
    Thank God you can finally access the blog.
    Berenice, I totally agree with what you said.
    And I loved Vaughn too I think I had read it after fifty shades series in 2013 so you can imagine what a fresh breath of air it was. 😍😍😍
    I loved Whitney my love can’t wait for your thoughts on that one.

    • LOL,
      I know you are super busy!!But if you have time, you could listen to Sarra Maning’s interview with “sentimental garbage”(podcast)

      She was “snarky” towards fifty-shades!!😂😂
      I personally was auto-piloting between fanfics and original romance for years. so when it first published, I just thought this writer was testing water to promote herself from fanfic writing to original romance as a proper career. I was already rolling the eyes because how could it do better? In the end, it was just a fanfic of Twilight in disguise. The original book: Twilight is a uber-cliche to begin with😮‍💨
      But it took off right away and got the film adaption opportunity😶‍🌫️
      Still, I feel that the adaptation helped it gain disproportionate popularity for sure!!🤔🤔

  8. Well Kim and Phil had lots of emotionless quickies and when I say emotionless I mean
    in large part, guys could F..K anything, I said anything at all. For most guys it doesn’t have to do with love, affection or anything like that. With guys it is very possible you can make love with the person you love and have sex with the person you don’t love. Women are very emotional being and they have to feel attached for them to enjoy or have sex with the person.
    Men can compartmentalize and can see sex as an act of desire without emotional connection.
    I think Lina and Phil had a very adventurous relationship in the bedroom and their chemistry was off the charts. They did slow and they did fast. (fanning myself) so what I want to say is that sex with Kim was a downgrade (he went from the chocolate he was craving to the candy which was dangling in front of him. He felt desired by Kim which numb his rejection from Lina.) in other cheating stories I have read men turn from simple husband to Porn star instantly. (eye rolling alert ⚠) 😂 😂 😂

    • Yeah!!!
      that book, If You Only Knew, one sister’s husband was like “Gosh, the sex with her(OW)”, he was explaining to wife that OW allowed him to have dirty sex no less than Porn!!

      And , Alice said in one scene which was edited out:I am sure you two have explosive sex in bedroom all the time, the chemistry is sooo obvious and never stopped sizzling. I never saw any couple’s chart being more in tune than you two; you two are like BUNNIES and the attraction was obvious, always simmering under the surface for all to see😂😂
      It’s from our wisest Alice😊I believed it!!

    • But I do want to stress that there’s this one situation in between (between Phil and “Porn stars”). I feel that some cheating Heroes try new things with OW because yes they needed a break from the marriage (problems in marriage and life) and new thing is new excitement, a distraction for a while. Like The Desperate Wife or The Perfect Marriage even The Adultery Club, husbands took full responsibility, did not belittle or over exaggerate their relationship with OWs. They just lost sight of their wives for a while. It’s not swoon worthy but I think it’s understandable and forgivable in real life.
      It does not mean they think wife is dull, more like life was dull. In totality, they would say sex with wife is the best emotionally and physically. It’s kinda grey and ugly, human nature as well but it’s kinda understandable. I am sure a lot of women in real life would give a second chance and do live happily every after.🤔

      • Haha for him I think it was the hanky panky in the office.And Kim also gave him a lots of blow job 😉 😉 😉 but nothing in him doing something new with Kim.

        • Yeah, I agree~
          I just got inspired and thought about an echelon between Phil and “Porn stars” (termed by Zaincruise😂)

  9. Hi Girls! Tina Phil would of never separated from Lina, nor would Lina have kicked him out. Bet if you have a bet…I would say no he wouldn’t. He would be trying to get his life back just as he was doing in WPF and SN.

    Now SB..Phil told us when he stepped into that foyer he saw Lina everywhere. He himself collided his two worlds. As long as he could keep them separated he could let the fog keep Lina from clear view. Him waking up to her giving him a BJ in Lina’s world made him furious not only with her, but I’m sure himself. He could no longer segregate in his mind his fling and his family. Once Lina extended the olive branch he was done with Kim.

    • Tracie😊,
      During the weeks between SB and Lina reaching out, he still sporadically slept with Kim???😳
      I mean, it was quite obvious🤔

      • Yes he did Berenice. But we concluded in our original discussions that after SB Phil had started to pull away. We also talked about Kim getting a little more clingy . I always wondered if Kim took Phil’s actions at SB as a wake up call that he’s really not leaving his wife. Phil also came home early on Friday from that business trip the night him and Lina reconnected. That’s how we concluded he was pulling away. He could of stayed longer with Kim if he would of wanted to.

        • I know!! I read all you guys’ conversations many many times!!
          It’s just Tina’s question made me uncertain about this detail😳
          I could be uncertain of myself very easily😂😂

          Tracie, thank you for the reply!!!🧡

  10. ESRA,
    I think a lot of readers didn’t realise that it is way worse if cheating Heroes actually had a lot of thoughts regarding his affair and OW. When I say “thoughts”, I meant to say cheating heroes thought a lot of what was the nature of the affair he was having, what position this OW took in his life or what feeling he really had for this OW. Even he concluded that in every aspect, this woman was less than his wife, it was still a strong evidence for a”worse than Phil” character. If any cheating heroes had that much of inner thoughts going on, he was basically a “weak” person(Phil’s weak as he said himself but different kind of weak) that couldn’t find another solution. For Phil, yes, he also had a choice but he didn’t have that much “time” allowing him to really calm down. He just “got” the affair done in the whirlwind. Does it make sense??
    I hate lines such as “I only slept with her once/twice”(n Heart of the Matter) or”I wrapped up because I had this whole thing figured out: only go bare with you.”(inhale, exhale) or “I didn’t have orgasm or enjoyed much”(in any cheesy cheating YA)
    Those lame excuses irritated me!! Just Own it!!!

    Haha, Vaughn is definitely not perfect. I just love him being his type of cruel😂😂.

    • And, I don’t know😮‍💨😮‍💨 but I disliked the wife more than the husband in Inhale, Exhale.

      It’s kinda related to what you said yesterday about “even the score”(classic words from Diane).
      Two aspects,
      First, from writing perspective, it seems that readers recent days have very positive response to wife physically slept with OM during separation or under more dubious condition. So a lot of writers wrote that as a pure “market” decision, which I hate.
      Secondly, It seems that writers of cheating books think that Heroines had to cross the physical line to get even with “something”, having a heartfelt moment with OM before reconciling with husband. It doesn’t make sense in my mind.Using Inhale, Exhale as an example, I felt that this heroine basically had a full blown affair with brother-in-law to make herself feeling good. It was not just because of the affair, it went on long before the affair. It made me want to puke(ewww). I am not unreasonable double standard. The Adultery Club gave us a much more reasonable context and rationale for a comforting sexual relationship between Heroine and OM after Heroine separated from husband. But Inhale, Exhale and some other cheating books such as The Mill house made heroine a needy, immature, no better than cheating husband character, seeking emotional attachment and physical comfort the minute after their marriage was in trouble. Lina, comparing to them, was sooo mature and she knew herself well, her identity in the marriage and as an individual (shaking but still firm) and she had the ability to do self-reflection after being cheated. Heroine being responsible to herself is what I regard the most in a book. Even flawed and jaded Graciee could do that!!😮‍💨😮‍💨

    • Haha Berenice that is a exactly what I wanted to say. He was quite secure in the knowledge that his Lina was home and would always be his. ( In inhale and exhale OK, he was angry at the wife but not taking care of your own daughter who loves you while you play daddy with other woman’s child was very bitter pill for me to swallow.) I agree! he was still doing it but not as much as during those two months remember I had also thought the same thing.

      We all swoon at him (Phil) while you would look at him with your eye brow raised and saying ‘I am not going to let you off the hook that easily.’

      But don’t worry when you will be swooning at Vaughn I will act in same manner. 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

      Happy reading Berenice! ❤️ Let’s see how you will react 😉

  11. Phil was not innocent and he knowingly continued the affair to make himself feel “okay” but the back thought during this whole time was his Lina was home and his. (still ugly and selfish but much better than being lame😮‍💨) By being lame cheater, I was referring to the cheater in inhale, exhale. Omg, that cheater even had this whole inner thought of why he would use condom to distinguish his feeling for OW and his love to his wife…..this kind of thought-out/thought-thru made him lame and ridiculous.😮‍💨😮‍💨

    Talking about his sexual activities with Kim. Since I was probably the most desensitised reader with regard to talk about it😂, I would say, it happened daily for the first two months. After SB, it was probably down to two or three times a week. Just thinking realistically, with book evidence, he was still planning sex date with her via texts before Lina reconnected with him minutes after.

    • Also, Tracie said that the last time he slept with her was that Thursday, not he only slept with her that Thursday after SB.

      Tracie, Katie, Janet and Laura had lengthy conversation regarding that. Tracie, Janet and Katie and others knew that Phil&Kim were still having sex but were curious if they had sex on this “final” business trip
      so they asked Laura if he had sex with Kim right before he went back home, reconnected with Lina and had sex with Lina. It made sense because of being realistic. It certainly made him “PIG” but was consistent with the plot and his personality. Remember how cold he was before Lina reached out??😮‍💨😮‍💨

  12. Hi Tina,
    Emmm, I totally agree with ESRA and Zaincruise. Phil and Lina are not that kind of couple that would do couple therapy or “taking a break”. Kinda weird😳
    It all happened in a whirlwind. It’s not chronicled as they fought and their love were cooling down. Their love is quite unconventional and one of kind. Even during the affair, Phil was immensely in love with Lina. Fling just happened when he was dealing his “problem”. IF Phil and Lina had time to sit down and decide a break from each other, they definitely would reconnect immediately.
    And he was still functioning in his part of the affair after SB. So he still texted Kim and fucked her from time to time. Only sleeping with her on that Thursday is tooo illogic and unrealistic. To repeat, this is not an unrealistic romance story.😊
    Also, Laura explained before, men sometimes, no matter how ace they are in work, could be very blind to women’s scheme(women like Kim).

  13. No, I don’t think so because as far as I am concerned I think he can’t function without Lina by his side. firstly he would never let Lina out of his sight and secondly, he would have been too worried about what she was doing and other men hitting on Lina, LOL.
    Laura had said once the affair was exposed he realized he could lose Lina. So, I don’t think he would have started anything with Kim.

  14. Hello girls, We have a question if you can answer it please do and forgive us if it seems stupid.
    but what we wanted to know is that if Lina&Phil had decided to take a break because of all the fights that were happening between them because of Katie’s situation and then Kim had tried to seduce Phil would he have cheated then?

    and please can you tell us what did he meant when he said he couldn’t look at Kim without thinking about Lina after the SB…did he stop texting her. and only had sex with her on Thursday as Tracie said in the previous post.

    sorry if we are being rude with something you have already answered but our friends have placed a bet on it and now we can’t wait to see who is right and who is wrong!

    And Laura please don’t think about haters, think about us who love your writing. Alice was my favorite character, for her Phil was like a son she never had, and the way Phil would fix her house let me know how much he loves her also.

    • I second that Esra.
      tbh Tina his fling with Kim was more of a reckless decision on his part. It wasn’t that well-thought-out plan. He never thought too much about his rendezvous with Kim. He was an ace attorney so reading and observing people was a part of his job and in Kim situation, the writing was on the wall but he was still unable to get a hint of her dirty tricks until he became known to fact that she wanted to trap him long before he met her. Means! He didn’t think too much about Kim during and after the affair. That’s why she was a means to escape only. He was surprised and shocked over his actions which also exposed his state of mind at the time.

    • Phil and Lina weren’t a “taking a break” kind of couple. No way would they have ever decided to step apart w/out the Kim aspect.

      And SB was the beginning of the end of Phil and Kim. The escape Kim offered deteriorated because at the Steamboat home Phil’s world crashed together. The moment Kim entered his world, the fog began to lift. Kim was no longer separate from his life with Lina.

  15. If my memory serves me right I think Colleen hover and Tarryn fisher had written a novel called Never Never where both Hero and Heroine had cheated with other people many times and had broken up but since they were soul mates some mysterious things had started to happen to them! I read it too long ago so I don’t remember much but it had made me crack up so bad. I love that Lina&Phil connection was more original and deeper.

    Zaincruise !! I love you girl.

  16. Thank you so much, Tracie, …My studies are going really well(although those ‘dates’ and ‘acts’ drive me crazy sometimes) and I always check the blog to see what you girls are discussing, love you all.

    Berenice, you should have definitely picked chocolate gateau…LOL

  17. Zaincruise I love it when you can pop in and talk with us. Hope your studies are going well….You are a sweetie…all you girls are….

  18. Omg, Zaincruise…
    This is a completely different thing but I have to say…My neighbourhood patisserie reopened today after owner’s holiday vacation. I went there for something sweet. Between cappuccino cheesecake and chocolate gateau, I chose cappuccino cheesecake. Your mention of chocolate cake made me regret😮‍💨😮‍💨
    Now I want chocolate gateau😂😂

  19. Love you, Laura, YOU ARE THE BEST!
    Please don’t listen to those haters and keep writing because we love you so much.

  20. Laura, I totally feel for you! But you can never make everyone happy. People always find faults in everything. You can’t live your life according to the rules they set for you. You have your own voice and your own choices to make. You are not forcing them to buy your books, if they don’t like chocolate they shouldn’t have ordered double layered chocolate cake.
    My mom always told me that ‘people only throw shades on what shines’
    Love you!
    Tracie is right! Focus on the people who love you and admire you DOLL! (I love it when Tracie calls you that).

  21. Laura always remember doll…haters are going to hate…but for every negative cynical person hating, you have three of us that love and adore you and appreciate your talent.

  22. Berenice agreed! I remember a writer Danielle Lori is going to publish a book with a cheating husband (I think she is still working on it)and she said she didn’t believe the hatred and negative comments she received for something they haven’t really read it. she said she doesn’t care.

    but something tells me I already know what is she going to do.

    she is going to make the Heroine cheat too. it’s a new way for the writer to redeem the hero, if they both cheat pysically they are even. LOL

    • After I received all the hate for WPF and Swimming Naked, I decided I was no longer going to publish my writing. I have always wrote for my own pleasure and if sharing it with others brought such a backlash, I couldn’t see the point. It’s actually upsetting — spending a year nurturing a plot and characters and then have people attack you — personally even. Alice was based on my mother, so attacks on her were the worse to me. But, I think I’ve come around. I just wish I could keep the haters from being able to buy my novels.

      • Dear Laura,
        I truelly believe that being hated by the mob is something you should be proud of. The very vocal group that hates loudly, may it be in politics, literatue or immunization, is so self ratious. There are never grey areas in their world. Therefore, the absolute truth will always be on their side. So, not being part of them and liked by them is a badge of honor 😉
        I must say that Alice was absolutely one of my favorites (perhaps because she reminded me of my free spirited mother), and the father, this unrelenting nerd, also a great character!
        So, please, for the sake of the rest of us, remember that you bring so much color to our lives. Your novels are captivating and although I read them a few years ago, I keep going back reading them, reflecting on them and the characters became part of my live, like Jane Ayre, Mr Rochester and others.
        P.s, pardon my English, this is not my language and I read in English as so many good books are not translated to Hebrew

        • Tami,

          Thank you! I love how you put that — a badge of honor. You are right!
          And I am honored that you keep going back to these characters!
          Thanks for posting — made me smile!


  23. 🙋🏻‍♀️If I could explore a little bit what did “grovel” mean to these critics, I would say when those critics want more “grovel”, they were talking about a lot of repetitive actions and lines from Hero with teary eyes while Heroine played hard “game”, which simply means a lot of exhausting post-cheating push&pull. Personally, I think this formula is very lame and banal. and when I say they were disrespecting/being inconsiderate to each book’s context, this is a classic example of it😶‍🌫️. They preoccupied themselves arrogantly with how things should be when read a new book.
    ESRA, speaking of flawed heroes, in this case, when those critics flip-flop on Phil or other flawed Heroes, they usually stress that they accept flawed heroes but don’t see they(Phil) actually grow. I think this is another example that a lot readers simply have a mould in their mind: even how flawed Heroes grow should fit in the existing mould in their mind.😶‍🌫️😶‍🌫️(shaking head)
    Gosh, I really paid a lot of attention to all the comments on Goodreads after reading WPF&SN for the first time. I not only analysed their contents but also critiquing on why they said that, profiling what kind of readers are they😮‍💨.
    Same goes to women render reality thru their own wishfulness, like they proclaim they would leave after discovering cheating but once happened they chose to forgave or they thought they understand men/or book heroes in their wishful way and got frustration when they were not like that at all. Laura, I completely agree! These “expectation” set people up for disappointment!! I must say it’s kinda like a nature for people to presume over life or books, at least to me. So what I have learned so far is to prepare myself humbly for being challenged or convinced and my cognitive reality would be better😮‍💨

  24. Here’s another thought girls if the man is crying, begging etc, he might as well be the heroine and not the hero…My Phil manned up….That’s Right!

  25. God! it’s a nightmare! 😱 But then I already knew it…. Just hope everything works out.

    I was missing the blog so came back to check and saw a lots of my comments for Phil has disappeared 😭😭😭. But I will be back to defend my Phil.
    Don’t be mean to him. LOL 😂

    Esra!!! ❤️ Love it girl.

  26. Mahira and I had this long discussion off the blog on Goodreads about Phil and him feeling the pain and anger he must have felt before the affair and we both agreed that she may have made it numb for him but she didn’t make it go away. That is why I came up with a painkiller simile. Because despite being with her what he truly wanted and desire was Lina, only she could make it all go away. And Berenice as you said that Lina was still on his mind during the affair Mahira and I came up with this logic that Lina had been on his mind but with her, he also had months of rejection pain, and feelings of failure that’s why the SB house made him see the error of his way because they had lots of beautiful memories there and he was able to see the life he and Lina had created together and the fog which was created by his sense of failure and need for escape had started to thin at that point. But since Lina was responsible for the distance she had created she had to take that first step toward Phil. And once Lina touched him with want everything became history. ( Because one moment with Lina was gazillion times better than those four months with Kim).

  27. Tracie!
    That’s why I am a little scared to start them. but if they are anything like LINA&PHIL then I won’t have any problem. because give me those two for the rest of my life and I would never read anything gladly.

  28. Tracie! love you … I seriously don’t know why would those readers prefer it that way. (gosh! at this point I am ready to give my left kidney for another book about them) I was soooooooo scared while I was reading SN because zaincruise didn’t give me any spoilers and I was prepared to chuck my kindle on the wall if Phil had played family with Kim (Ewwww) but thank God he didn’t. Laura is hundred percent right about him blocking the pain.

  29. My Phil would never beg…Sincerity and action bears begging in my book any day….Chapter 47 WPF…he took full responsibility.

  30. What you said about Phil was totally right!! I love you for giving him to us.

    Crying big fat tears and begging on knees means nothing to me. You need to show with your actions.

  31. LAURA! you are right! That’s why I love your writing. And before I forget, say Hello to the New hot doc for me…

    Flawed hero are my favorite and I can’t wait to start it…

    Berenice, it would be so fun! ❤️

  32. ESRA!!
    Oh My!!
    Bronze Horseman was heavily discussed by Laura, Tracie and other girls in the blog!!
    I read some comments about the series here but not sure if I am ready for the background setting, from Russian revolution to Vietnam war so I just shelved it for another day😮‍💨

    • Loved Bronze Horseman! Very flawed H and it’s so long. I think I liked book 2 the best but it was so satisfying to be able to keep reading about his couple!

      And how about the phrase “actions speak louder than words”. Phil’s apologies meant nothing to me without action. It is so easy to say the right thing. My grandmother never said I love you, but there was never a doubt in my mind that she loved me.

  33. Another thing I liked about our adorable Gracieee and Vaughn is the element age, how it was constructed thru plot.

    I know that in age gap romance, if readers want it “healthier”, then the heroine would simply have an “old soul” and was attracted to an amazing older man. The climax conflict was around how to handle external pressure.
    But when dealing with more realistic age gap works, heroines probably must have flaws(past baggages) like Graciee. it had nothing to do with “fetish” or some other psychologic dramas. simply because, when it comes to big age gap (over 20 years), not too many young girls (barely age twenty) would fall in love with 40 plus yr old man (it happens but it’s either “old soul”logic or something more complicated). In Gracie and Vaughn’s case, it’s obvious that Gracie felt lacking and she was passing thru life without any anchors/or fateful crossing (paraphrasing from Sarra Manning).she was lonely without a “spirit shelter”. Vaughn gifted her something that made her world brighter, broader and meaningful as she was crossing him not just flew by like they both did in the past. Ultimately Vaughn filled a void of her, making her feel less lacking. It is very crucial. Her “passing by life” existence caused her loneliness and lacking. Older man came forward offering “guidance”. She, in return, gave him love and warmth. It is not the healthiest relationship but the power dynamic(not healthy but progressing) between these two was soooo on point, fascinating! just like what I could imagine in a more realistic age gap relationship 😊😊

  34. If you go through my shelf you would know the Heroes I have read were all hated by most of the readers because they didn’t fit their versions of romance boyfriend. But I love them.

    Berenice, I am going to start Paullina Simons Bronze horseman series I wanted to start them before I read WPS but I was so much sucked into Lina&Phil love story I couldn’t just read anything for quite a while.

    Recently a friend told me to give it a go because it had all the angst I crave so much. Have you read it??
    What’s your final verdict on that book!!

  35. I can’t stomach fairytale type of story…. People read fluffy, easy, warm all the time and they are quite popular but I can’t… They made me Yawn 😦!!

  36. As far as I am concerned I like my heroes a little more on original and imperfect side…because watching a character learn from the mistake and becoming that person we hoped he’d be makes reading experience truly enjoyable for me.
    Lina’s pain and Phil remorse felt real to me. Phil was a character who took all the blame on himself and never pointed out to Lina’s fault which I think created this illusion in readers mind. My poor baby has suffered enough as it is. I like him as he is…. 😉 I wouldn’t change it for anything! ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ I don’t want grovel I wanted him to show Lina with his actions what she meant to him… And Boy did he!!
    He not only won Lina but also won me over.

    Tbh… I don’t have any problem with my phone..nothing can keep me away from the blog.

  37. ohhhh!
    unrealistic/fairy tale characters and stories (typo)😂

    Also, some readers made me feel that they don’t get reality in their real life. They just expect that, thru some “rosy glasses”, what they comment/demand is what their reality look like. Does it make sense??😮‍💨

    • I find too many people literal. Life is not that simple. The world is gray, not black and white. Also, expectations in novels or life set you up for a huge disappointment.
      Yes, you make perfect sense. People convince themselves that they are a certain way, but the reality is so different. I know so many women who have forgiven affairs — more than one. These are the same women who would have said that they would never.

  38. Hi Laura!

    I have to say if it is just unrealistic/fairy tale endings, then I would stomach them actually😳, like some vintage HP or Mills&Boons (good plot and characters yet a cheesy endings or predictable plot even).
    But some were way worse than that. Not just unrealistic storyline or characters. They were more like weird wishful thinking😂. The one ESRA mentioned, plots and characters are soooo illogic. Nevertheless, people read a lot of books like those.
    Also, I do feel that some readers kinda have fixed reactions to each trigger or lack thereof. such as grovel means redeemable, ONS is forgivable, singing cheesy lines of love means true love(including those who insisted Phil needs to “communicate” more) or the more excessive affectionate words the better etc etc. If books don’t have these, then they think they are somehow inadequate😮‍💨😮‍💨 Rigid and inconsiderate to book contexts😮‍💨

    I have switched to PC logging for a while! so far so good👌🏻wish the lost post would be restored soon❤️

    • Yes. Grovel was a common theme by my critics. If Phil had cried and begged, maybe on his knees, he may have been forgiven by readers. And I will say it again — that wouldn’t be Phil. Never. It would never occur to him to do that. He apologized a dozen times. He showed resource. He blamed himself for everything. I think his coldness was off putting to many readers, but Phil’s coldness toward Lina was because he was closing himself to pain. He couldn’t handle her rejection. He just closed down.

  39. Hi Girls!

    Sarah Manning’s characters have flaws. They feel like real people – 100 percent agree on that point. I love English authors — I grew up loving them.

    Personally, I don’t like reading or writing characters that say things I can’t imagine a person saying. Having said that, I know many readers just want an escape. They don’t want realistic – they get that in real life. They want a fairytale. Look at Harlequin Christmas movies — I can’t take them but they are incredibly popular.

    It’s curious to me that readers who want unrealistic read cheating novels — if Phil groveled more than he did, he wouldn’t be Phil and the story wouldn’t be a WPF. He was who he was.

    And as far as the first drafts of WPF, the editor said everyone knows the details of an affair and because the book was written from Lina’s point of view, we (the reader) only knew what Lina knew. We had to judge Phil from Lina’s perspective only.

    And no, I’m not alerted when there is a discussion about my books on Goodreads. I’m only alerted when someone asks me a direct question.

    I’m sick that we have lost so many comments. I hope I can get them back 🙁

    I had to write the message from my PC. It wouldn’t post from my iphone.

  40. Agree!♥️

    I don’t want to be controversial but I have to say that men with that kind of power and resourcefulness are never too approachable or too considerate. And falling in love with them is an arduous arduous work. Their edges could hurt you without the intention to hurt you.
    My grandmother once told me humanely that greatness sometimes comes
    with enduring agony.That’s why some vintage Books (Harlequin, Mills&Boons) and Vaughn made sense. Well, sensible without the “cheesy” ending, Unsticky’s author commented that Mills&Boons endings usually stood out abruptly(excessively affectionate lines, ewww) and that is tacky!
    Anyway, I like Gracieee being very “sober” that she was aware this powerful man was moulding her. Nevertheless, she went along (the place where romance happened and her jaded character befell) . That’s why I don’t like people comparing Gracie&Vaughn to pretty woman. Completely undermining Gracie’s character depth and Vaughn’s masterfulness😮‍💨. Also Sara Manning passively agreed it was in the same trope with Jane/Rochester!! Haha I knew it!!🎈

  41. Totally with you on that one!!! ❤️

    Characters do have independence from their creator and their choices has to be fitting to their role because humans don’t pull 180 degree that fast.

    And I love analyzing them in my own way. That’s why I came up with Kim having that ill intention regarding Pics.

    You wouldn’t believe me but I hate billionaires love stories because they all have these ‘unrealistic formula’I just have to pick one to know what all of these other have in them. That’s why I was really surprised and loved Unsticky, although I was dreading it be like that other billionaire book where a wealthy man turn into unrealistic character and start singing those cheesy lines but thank God Vaughn had that rude originality(which I think all billionaire should have) that made the book so interesting for me. And there banter and arguments were my favorite. I love it sooooo much because they were not that OTT type that makes you roll your eyes.

  42. I got that!!
    I was struggling to pinpoint authors like Jewel E Ann without offending them!
    It was really difficult to elaborate my feelings after finishing her books! Her books sometimes made me feel shallow and superficial lovey dovey/love-peace/positive thinking. and when I say I don’t feel her love and compassion for her characters, I meant to say that her characters were like being cut out from cardboard lifelessly for her to stage in her confusing plots. Like Laura said and I also believe the same that characters have certain degree of independence from authors, full of life and depth. Sadly, it’s not like that in Jewel E Ann’s books😮‍💨

  43. Actually the unrealistic formula that authors use make me roll my eyes. Remember that Jewel E Ann book… In the cheating scene he asked the friend ‘tell me what do you want Lila’ and shouted his wife name in the end… LOL 😂 to show how much he loved her… So romantic!! (insert sarcasm) imagine Phil shouting Lina name… 🤣🤣🤣

  44. I want that too!!!I want Nick doing something dramatic in front of Phil and Phil would……wow…🔥

    Actually there’s an almost reversal moment in WPF. Very interesting! I believe it was in Chapter 47 when they watched the lacrosse game, Phil was caught off guard that Lina gave him a chaste kiss. Laura said if Phil knew Nick was watching from afar (he was there for Brian), Phil would “tongue down” Lina for sure!!😂
    I like both scenarios!!❤️

  45. ESRA!

    Thank you for the Gracieee comment!! I am feeling “adorable” because of that😊. and just like you said before! Men are PIGs. Phil was simply fooling around with Kim and using Kim as a painkiller for a while (this happened in real life all the time, men can keep a hook-up at side for years without any emotional attachment). I found that a lot of readers simply hold unrealistic and confusing ideas of men…sigh. But the beauty is Lina as a woman, at first, couldn’t fully understood it as well(it’s more understandable because she is the wife and that is her husband). It made situation full of angst, pain and hurt!!and made the book more captivating❤️

    Tracie, I agree!!🤓

  46. Damn! Now I want to read that book soooo bad…. But wait with Nick (Nooooo) Thank God she didn’t listen to her editor but I do wanted a scene where Nick would grab Lina and kiss her in front of Phil catching her off guard because Lina would never do it own her own…. She is too loving and too caring for these tricks.
    But I love jealous Phil.. So I can’t help myself.

  47. Okay one more thing please don’t misunderstand my curiosity because Phil hater or not one thing they couldn’t find fault with was Laura ability to make her readers feels all those emotions.

    And I personally think everyone should have access to the magic of her writing and that’s one of the reasons we are talking about a book that was written in 2019.

  48. ESRA,

    So originally, Laura wrote a book named “The Affair”(if I remembered correctly). It had a lot of affair details because the main theme was Phil&Lina dealing with affair and surviving it. But the editor suggested to edit out some details and make a “love triangle”(Lina&Phil&Nick, which was actually not really, not a functioning triangle any way. Laura had a reply talked about adding more Nick scenes and subplots). Laura said the editor even wanted Lina to be with Nick in the end(screaming! can you imagine??!😮). Also, Katie and Matt are also a subplot added because of the editorial changes.
    So once WPF was published, Laura realized that there’re a lot of things was unanswered because of the changes made under editorial advice. So SN as a sequel was dealing with some part of affair details, giving Lina closure and talk about how family coping with aftermath. I read some comments on goodreads complaining that Laura wrote “unconvincing” affair details and photo explanation to pacify readers. That was untrue!! Those were written long ago in the unpublished book “The Affair”. Some details changed such as they attended wedding not in Portland but the inn in VA which is a suburban of DC region~
    The original book, I believe, had more than 100000 words😂

  49. Aye aye captain Berenice I would never make that mistake again😂😂 (how can I be so reckless in my wording) ‘Gasp’

  50. Seriously I also wanted it to be a one month affair but that just me wanting Phil to spend less time with Kim. I can understand if that were the case the hurt and anger wouldn’t seem to be the reason. There had to be a certain kind cheating to make the situation understandable. I just love that I don’t have to wonder like those readers. They really need this blog in their lives. 😍

  51. I meant can… I hate typos!!!!

    TRACIE! You are 💯 right and we know that but there had been some readers group on goodreads talking about it. They liked Laura writing and didn’t seem to be very mean but genuinely confused 😕.

  52. Laura once said there are rules regarding writing romance. Romance genre now has a lot of unrealistic rules (remember the”hygiene” theory I came up with😂). I think the confusing readers are in a fog unrealistic romance tropes and expected that the signal of Kim being insignificant could only be rendered as Phil only having ONS with her. But that was simply not what would happen in reality. and by expecting that kind of crude plot mechanism, readers missed a lot of details that Laura crafted beautifully to deliver a deep story with multidimensional characters🤔

  53. Berenice, I hope too! ❤️ You had such Grace like moments in those comments , I wanted to point them out to you but I didn’t because I didn’t want you to be mad at me and saying… ‘How dare you ESRA’

    But I do think if some deleted scenes were part of the book, readers would have a better understanding… Like the break-up scene… Cam someone tell me why those were deleted? They were very crucial I think 🤔

  54. Then, I got it! I would never think that because Lina took care of Katie and struggled with the crisis, Phil didn’t get the attention and found Lina not taking cafe of herself, making herself less attractive than Kim! This was a huge misunderstanding on their part for sure!! I thought they were talking that Katie crisis being a factor in his cheating. Also talking about man temporarily blame/hate their children for their own problems, yes, it happened for some men/heroes but never Phil! Phil love his children and he is a family man!! I was researching Catherine Dickens recently, so I read a lot of victorian marriage, civil legality and women rights papers, monographs and even Hi-Fi. Gosh, you cannot believe those sad wicked men blaming/hating their wives and innocent children for their own incompetence!!! I was in agony while reading all those!
    Phil was such a contrast!!phew😌

    Also, do you remember we talked about his “insecure”/wounded ego?? I had that whole mimicking inner thoughts of him being rejected and doubting😂.Yeah, me too!!I definitely think that he did that(Kim) to secretly and childishly prove he was wanted (while his Lina rejected him), lol adorable!

    and Plzzzz, no Eros and Kim in one sentence, Kim didn’t deserve it😉😉 (I am joking😂)

  55. Seriously ! I thank God that when zaincruise gave me the books she had already told me about the blog. And you are right I think that’s why I asked Laura about the notification. Because reader can’t understand that if he love Lina like the way he did why would he continue it for four months.? A girl seemed to like the books but she was really confused when she wrote ‘I love this writer and I have read both books but I still don’t know why he cheated because they never talked about it and she never made him explain anything’ I think some reader wanted to know the affair from the Phil POV to understand how he was feeling at that time.

    Thank God we have this blog and never had this problem and I didn’t read WPS without SN. Both books have a big gap between them and something tells me that SN wasn’t pre-planned. (I hope I am wrong)

  56. Gosh!!! I kept hitting the reply button even when I know it wasn’t working… Actually I get it but from there perspective it seems that Phil hated his own daughter… I know her situation was the reason which ultimately created problems (fights and arguments) but there had to be a Nick for Phil to cheat. I think he didn’t like they way Lina was letting Nick decide what’s best for Katie since he was her father and he wanted to decide it himself. But I never thought he was hating that Lina was taking care of Katie and was not taking care of him.
    As you said he was a man-child when it came to Lina. And I strongly believe that he (subconsciously) wanted to prove to Lina tha if you don’t want me someone does. 😂 You know Lina not wanting to get physical was a big blow to his ego and Kim was there to made him feel like Eros!!

    As for ultimate betrayal(My first cheating book) I thought I loved it when I first read it but he was having a good make out session with other woman and no one at his office knew about his wife and kids….it was very hurtful for the wife. I don’t know but I think the writer wanted us to forgive him since he didn’t have sex with OW he must be in love with his wife but keeping her a secret from everyone made me think maybe he was ashamed of her or something.

    I can see the resemblance but I would never compared them because his cheating happened because she was taking care of kids who were also his kids.

    In Hunter Universe that was never the case. He never thought Lina had became unattractive or stopped taking care of herself stuff like that. To him the only beautiful woman was Lina. Sure he was attracted to Kim on physical level but it wasn’t that maddening attraction or anything like that.

  57. Also, correct me if I am wrong(I mean it!😌). I feel that as long as they don’t say things such as Phil loved/liked Kim; Phil cheated because Kim was exciting and marriage/Lina was dull; Phil was weak etc etc; then among all those factors that lead him to slip, readers could form their percentage of accountability, based on what they see and value from those causal factors. For example, we all know the last straw was there’s a man(Nick) “taking over Phil’s control over his family”. I know it’s a very crucial factor in his cheating, maybe the most crucial because it pained him the most, making him completely lost and hurt. But I have been a reader trying to balancing the important roles of household’s “institutional difficulty”(Katie problem) and Phil’s own character (he was a good man and Hero but he doesn’t have the same formula as Nick when confronting crisis as such) in his cheating.

    But if they couldn’t see the whole picture and just concluded that the only thing they can see after reading was Phil couldn’t handle crisis so he cheated, then I think their interpretation was biased and completely wrong for sure😌
    WPF and SN are soooo intriguing and captivating♥️. Readers need to come to the blog for help!! Gosh, if we didn’t find the blog, what we gonna do😮‍💨

  58. I am very sad as well! We have so many memorable and meaningful back and forth🥺, ESRA♥️
    Hope that next week, when host finishes maintenance, all lost posts could be back🎈

  59. Is it not?
    It’s partially??
    Lina stopped putting Phil first (which she did for years and simply “spoiled” him a little bit) is one of the factor broke their connection. ESRA you even wrote about this during our conversation.
    In Early blog discussion, someone compared this with an old book The Ultimate Betrayal. The husband was driven away and one of the reason was wife lost connection with him because of the children problem.

    Katie initially created a difficult condition and Nick made Lina turn away from him completely and Kim as an accessible painkiller, then a perfect storm?

  60. Ok, I was aimlessly wandering on the Goodreads where I wanted to look for an old thread ‘DON’T SHOOT ME FOR LOOKING’ because that thread had some very good historical and contemporary angsty cheating recommendations and came across a cheating romance group where they were discussing the WPS and SN and talking about Phil….although they all agreed that Laura writing was extremely beautiful (no doubts about it)but they had this misperception that Phil cheated because Lina was putting their daughter first and I was like what!!!?????????

  61. Yeah, the blog is easy to access from my laptop but I had bookmarked the blog page so it had no problem accessing it from the smartphone. But I am a little sad that some of the comments had vanished. but I am also happy that now I got to talk about hunters again in a new way!!!!!!!!! sorry guys but I just love them too much.

  62. Reply option isn’t working. You can only post new comments. Probably won’t be fixed until early next week 😞

    Also several hundreds comments just disappeared.

  63. I cannot use the reply button either🥺

    !!That is a big change!! and a bonus theme: age gap!!😮I like it!
    Also, 26 yr old artist meets a 3 year old. The bonding will be so adorable!!

    The H is a surgeon? doctor? Suit is sexy for sure! But the scrubs under lab coat would be hot too!😳

  64. Laura,

    Thank you for the clarification❤️. I am a little bit childish and confused about themes such as losing someone and moving on🥺. I need to constantly remind myself that every love is different😌. You always contextualise serious and complicated themes seamlessly and write them beautifully. So I will just patiently wait for the new release😳. Also, I know that the h has a teenage son who is edgy. I am very interested about him😌 and his bond with H’s son(I remembered H has a small boy who survived the tragedy?)

    • Berenice,

      Originally the h had a teenage son, but I changed my mind. The h is a 26 yr old artist — The H is 41 with a 3 year old. Things could still change, but that’s what’s happening…

  65. Berenice — my new book isn’t sad — except for the obvious fact that the hero is a widow, but it begins two years after the H loses his wife. It’s about moving on and finding a new love 🙂

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