Swimming Naked — the sequel to A White Picket Fence

The draft of Swimming Naked is now in the hands of my editor. I should have it back in about four weeks.

Opening scene of Swimming Naked…


“Just a second, buddy.” Phil was at the sink, screwing the top onto a baby bottle.

Lina watched Liam’s small hands yank at Phil’s pant leg, his demands to be picked up increasingly loud. She rubbed her hand across her forehead. “I think I’m going to go upstairs.”

“What?” Phil scooped up his son, handing him the bottle he’d just prepared as he turned to Lina.

“I have a headache. I’m going to go lie down for a minute.” Her eyes were on the almost one-year old sucking on a bottle as his head rested on her husband’s chest. She swallowed down the lump in her throat.

“Do you need me to get you anything?”

“No. I just…I can’t,” Lina whispered before rushing from the room.

“Katie?” Phil called out as walked toward the family room. “Katie?”

“What?” Katie paused the television screen.

“I need you to watch Liam.” He set him on the couch beside her.

“What?” Katie retreated to the corner of the couch, her eyes widening. “No way. I’m not watching him.”

“I’m not asking.”

“You said it wouldn’t affect us if you brought him here. I don’t want to be a baby sitter. I don’t even like kids.”

“Watch him,” he said firmly, pointing at Liam. “I’ll be back in a few minutes.”


Lina was sitting on the edge of the bed when she heard the bedroom door open. “I can’t do it,” she said. “I thought I could but I can’t. I’m sorry.”

The mattress shifted as Phil sat down beside her. “It hasn’t even been an hour.”

“I can’t look at him. I know it’s not his fault, but he’s the result of what you did—a living, breathing reminder.”

“Lina.” Phil stroked his hand up her back. “It’ll get easier. Once you get to know him, you—“

“I don’t want to know him.” She came to her feet and headed toward her wardrobe. “I’ll go to Adele’s or my mom’s for the night.”

Phil cursed softly, leaning forward and resting his elbows on his knees as he gripped his head. “You said you would try. Forty-five minutes isn’t trying.”

Lina finished packing a small bag with pajamas and clothes for the following day before leaving the wardrobe and crossing to the bathroom. “I tried,” she said when she felt Phil’s presence in the doorway. “You have no idea how hard.” She began to toss toiletries into the bag.

“One night. All I’m asking for is one night.”

“I can’t.” Lina shook her head. She’d thought she could. She’d even picked out a crib and decorated a nursery for Phil’s son, but the reality of him was so different than the imagined.

“I’ll leave,” he said, his voice sounding defeated. “I’ll take him to a hotel.”

“No. All his things are here. It’ll be easier if I just go to Adele’s.” Lina lifted the bag and turned from the sink.

“You shouldn’t be the one leaving.”

“This is the best solution, Phil. I’ll be back tomorrow.”

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1,020 comments on “Swimming Naked — the sequel to A White Picket Fence
  1. Liana says:

    Hi ladies,

    It’s school holidays here is Melb.. with a pre teen and a 12 month old it’s just so hard to check in on line.. anyways I’ve been reading all the posts.. great outfits!

    Tracie, speedy recovery!

    Going to check out ann’s bone from Laura now haha..


  2. Laura says:

    I started a new thread with a bone for Ann…

  3. Ann says:

    Glad you’re feeling better Tracie.

    I think we’re going through a little withdrawal from Phil and Lina. We haven’t heard anything about them in a few days. So, I agree with you Tracie that I wish Laura would give you some scoop on how Lina answered Phil.
    Throw us a bone, Laura.

  4. Carrie says:

    Excellent Tracie!! I glad you could breath easily again!

  5. Tracie says:

    Good Morning Girls,

    Feeling better today, instead of worrying about what’s on my desk, I’m able to put hands on it and get it done…..

    Today is also marks the second SN has been with the editor…yay!!! It won’t be long now…

    Laura what do you think Lina’s answer was to Phil on how many men….I swear I couldn’t help it…. When you throw a snippet you know exactly where to cut it off, so that I’m straining against my chain…LOL

  6. Tracie says:

    Carrie thank you it worked I popped my own rib back in place…

  7. Ann says:

    I loved Mr masters. I’m halfway through The Mill House and I like it so far. It’s over 500 Pages!
    Tracie take care of yourself!

    Hey, all 3 of us in the football pool lost today and we were the last remaining. I just read the rules and there is a tiebreaker that has something to do with teams going to playoffs. So I won’t be splitting any money but I’m still in the running. Lol

  8. Tracie says:

    Ann I hope you are still in the running…both games were so close… Kbabe I hope Lina thinks Liam looks like Logan and Phil…

    I’m dying to know what Lina said to Phil. when he said how many men came on to you? I’m changing my way of thinking on Phil and Lina’s dynamics in SN! I’m thinking Lina might lean back, while Phil still has the back of her thighs in his hands, taking his face on her hands and says…”does it matter, when they don’t stand a chance, because they’re not you!” Swoon.

    What do you girls think she said?

  9. Carrie says:

    Tracie I have popped mine back in place twice!! Definitely works! Hope you are better soon!

    • Tracie says:

      Thank you Carrie we have some in the shop, definitely doing it tonight..When my husband gets home he go get me the chair…I promised no more lifting or dragging ?

  10. Katie says:

    Sorry if this posts twice. TL Swan is good. Pay attention to subtleties, like the gravestone script, for example.

  11. Katie says:

    Liam was definitely cuter. Nearly black hair, blue eyes- just like Phil. Cutie pie. Brian was just like I imagine his dad, kind of cute, mostly a dork. ?‍♀️
    Tracie- popping ribs doesn’t sound normal…I agree with J on the collagen and tumeric. My husband gets a protein mix with those from Costco.
    Ann, I haven’t been following the games today. How did it work out for you?

  12. Carrie says:

    Tracie when I pop a rib I have problems taking a breath. Do you? I sit in a folding chair then raise my arms over my head and lean back. The rib goes back in place!! Sorry you are having so many issues!

  13. Tracie says:

    Thank you. I have a real good husband Ann…Sorry about the ballgames I was watching them both rooting for you….Ugh!

    • janet says:

      Wait. You popped a rib??!! Did you tell us this? Omg. What is going on? You need dr axe collagen, bi flex osteo, tumeric, and glucosamine all together like me. I squeak but how do you pop a rib from dragging stuff. Take care Sweet! At least for another week.

    • Ann says:

      Ravens played a great game even though they lost. I’m out of the pool because Buffalo lost but the other 2 people picked Steelers and broncos and if both of those teams were to lose then all 3 of us would split the money. Lol
      I’m missing out SN snippets

  14. Ann says:

    Trace you’ve got a good hubby. I’m sweating bullets right now. Ravens are tied and so is Buffalo. Ugh!!!
    We had some great good though. My girlfriend made shrimp tetrazzini and a homemade apple cake. So good

  15. Katie says:

    Hi girls. Having a spa/shopping day with my mom today for her birthday.
    But I wanted to tell you my funny story from last night. Went to dinner with my little family and saw two HS boys having dinner. I thought, omg, that’s Logan and Drayton’s son (spacing on his name right now). Luckily, I didn’t say this out loud because my husband already thinks I’m nuts for having all of you virtual besties. These people are not fucking real. But they are!

    • Ann says:

      Hahahahaha that is funny!

    • janet says:

      That’s funny as shit! I’m the same way. I don’t dare say things out loud but they are real! Who was cuter? Logan or Brian, Kbabe? I just looked around the restaurant we are at now. Nobody like WPF characters. Too bad.

      Have fun Ann and Laura. Go ravens! Lol. I must watch a ravens game to see the hoopla on this blog. I hope you win big.

      Tracie, you OK?

    • Tracie says:

      Kbabe that cracks me up…I can just hear your husband saying that, because that is the way my family thinks too…Lol.. Rooting for Buffalo to win Ann….Go Ravens!

      • Tracie says:

        I’m fine J-Girl I popped a damn rib out of place going to got to get it snapped back In before surgery …Only using one crutch instead of two and me dragging, lifting and leaning popped a rib….Hubby has had just about enough of my heroics and can do attitude….Lol

  16. Ann says:

    Good Morning Tracie and Ladies,
    I was rereading some of the earlier snippets because I just can’t get enough of these people.
    The one in particular that I read today was the argument between Phil and Lina when he was in NY and he threw his phone against the wall.
    That’s when he went to the bar and fell from grace. I was just wondering how this will be played out in SN. I’m guessing a flashback in Phil’s mind. I’m sure Laura mentioned it earlier, but there is so much to read in this blog that you forget sometimes. This book is going to be so awesome with Phil just making Lina #1. I want to hear his inner thoughts when he thinks of Lina and how much she means to him.
    Well, we’re off to our friends house for a Ravens party. If the Ravens can win today it will be a huge upset. I love it when our Ravens are underdogs.
    I’m still in my Survivors Pool too. It’s just 3 of us left. If Buffalo wins today, I’m still in the pool. Wish me luck ladies.
    It’s cold and cloudy here today.
    Tracie, hope you’re hanging in there with that hip. Take it easy.

    • Laura says:

      Good afternoon!.
      I’m off to friends to watch the Ravens game! I only last twenty-five minutes at the dog park.
      Swimming Naked is currently 172 scenes plus an epilogue (yet to be written). Current chapter count is five more than WPF.
      I’ll check back later.

  17. Tracie says:

    Good Morning Girls, Sweet Laura I’ve been thinking about you this morning doll…Imagining your dining room table looking like Snowageddon with all the printed pages. You shuffling those papers like an experienced Vegas card dealer. You said yesterday, you wanted to make sure all the questions were answered…don’t pull your hair out over the questions…take on the Frank Sinatra mantra which is “I did it my way.” We will be thrilled angel. If I could answer every question asked of me, I’d put google out of business…..Lol.

  18. janet says:

    Right! Before we thought it would be up to Phil to protect Lina and the kids but Laura has told us numerous times they work as a team in SN… I am bit thrown too.

  19. Tracie says:

    One team one fight mentality….I’m going to have to start wearing my glasses all the time…Lol

  20. Tracie says:

    I knew you would go all Giddy over no scenes being cut…Lol…I’m glad too….poor Laura is wore out with SN….I know how emotional we get, I can’t imagine writing it…I’m starting to think I’m off a little where Lina and Phil are concerned…I think they are going to be more of a team where Kim is concerned than what I originally would have expected…but I like the one time one fight mentality with Lina and Phil…

  21. janet says:

    Thank you Jesus, Laura, and Jordan! Hallelujah!

    I thought disconnecting the phone was all for Lina. I remember when Laura asked us if Phil would let Katie babysit Liam at Kim’s place and we all said no! Now I’m wondering when the kids meet kim(bound to happen) and how that comfrotarion is handled. it’s going to be messy…

  22. Katie says:

    I don’t know if I mentioned this one, but I was going through my favorite books last night..Without You Here by Carter Ashby was really good. It’s technically taboo but doesn’t read that way. Girl picks up older man in a bar after a breakup with her bf, turns out he’s forbidden…but there’s a great understory about him and his widow and about her and her past. Highly recommend!

  23. Katie says:

    I was thinking about Phil today. There are so many things he did right that get overlooked. Like how he never backed away from the kids after the affair. So many times the adulterer avoids the kids- out of shame, guilt, etc. He was surprisingly candid with them about all of it.

    • Tracie says:

      I agree Kbabe, there was several comments that said he told because he got caught…He told Lina and his kids because he’s a good man and didn’t want to lie to them anymore..that’s another reason I know he loves his wife and kids and will do right by them all…..

      • Katie says:

        I don’t think he would’ve told without the pregnancy. What’s more important to me is that he was losing interest in the affair before getting caught. That’s one huge thing that’s different from the other infidelity themes I’ve read- he drops Kim like a sack of potatoes and never looks back. It’s not like he struggled to let her go.

        • Tracie says:

          I read a book and the H was a little insulted by the h saying the were just fucking…He corrected her immediately and said no we are dating and there is a big difference in dating and just fucking…Which made me think of Phil and Kim….they were not dating…You are right, I doubt Phil would have intentionally hurt Lina by telling her…Like I’ve said before he didn’t think Kim had made a documentary out of their affair, especially for Lina to see…

          • Katie says:

            She already knew in her heart he had an affair anyway. They didn’t need to have a conversation about it. Until baby…

          • Tracie says:

            She really didn’t want to hear what she already knew…she just wanted it to stop and Phil was making strides in that direction by transitioning her to Wayne…but Liam did throw a kink in the plan…So did Kim with the text messages and pictures…..I made myself read chapters 28, 29 and 30 again and Phil was vicious with Lina because he was hurt too, but loves her so very much..I keep saying this, but I can’t imagine how he’ll treat Kim not loving or having respect for her, after the way he blocked Lina out…

        • janet says:

          Hi all. Checking in. Love all the convo here. Tracie, I’m sorry you are going through this. Kbabe is right. Your positive attitude is sexy! LOL.

          Ann, you truly need to host a phil and Lina event in Elliot city. You know they probably went to the lighting ceremony. Lina loves Christmas!

          • Tracie says:

            My attitude is starting to get a little pissy…I had to drag my laundry hamper down the hall by the handle and I’m fixing to unload my dishwasher, which takes me a while….I use to look like the damn roadrunner, now I feel like a sloth….I’m really sorry about being a blog hog…I check about every 20 to 30 minutes…I get so bored….

          • Tracie says:

            Who do you girls think disconnects their home phone Lina or Phil? It would probably be a mutual decision…but it would be kind of hot if Phil came home and she threw in…you need to let the office know we no longer have a home phone, I had it disconnected today! Phil would be like huh???
            Lina could say: Phil I’m through being the source of her entertainment, therefore, she can call you cell phone if she needs you!!! Pass the rolls please….

          • Katie says:

            I think Phil would disconnect…it would be even better if Lina said, “I don’t care, Phil. She can’t hurt us.”

          • Tracie says:

            You are right Kbabe that shows the unified front against Kim, we are looking for between Lina and Phil…..

          • Laura says:

            I’m sorry too Tracie. I’m sure it’s torture but now the end is is near. In the mean time, I’ll do my best to entertain you. I’ve been messing with SN all day. Looking at every scene and making sure everything is said that needs to be said. My dining room table is a mess. I am ready to be done with this novel. Can’t wait to get it back from the editor.
            Disconnecting the phone was more about the children not having to speak to Kim than Phil or Lina.

          • Tracie says:

            Laura you and these girls entertain me everyday…I can only imagine what you are going through…my emotions are pulled thin in anticipation and I don’t even know what’s going to happen….

          • Laura says:

            Jordan won’t let me delete any scenes. Some aren’t necessary but she thinks they are fun so regardless of what the editor says I won’t cut anything out. I’ve moved some scenes around though which really is going to be a nightmare. Such is life. Have you found any good movies to watch?

          • Tracie says:

            Oh and I love them disconnecting because of the kids…Phil sure doesn’t want her around his kids……

          • Tracie says:

            You know J-Girl is going to send out mega hugs and kisses to Jordan for no scene cuts…Hugs from me too Jordan…so glad you trump the editor angel…..

            No movies…I watch some TV, read and blog with you girls…I have so much going on at work and I’m stressing that I’m not going to get it all done and I have several people relying on me for promotions and I don’t want to disappoint them. I’m going to see if my boss will sign off on me teleworking from home….Tom (my husband) says only after I’m feeling better…

  24. Tracie says:

    Laura I’m wondering after Kim moves to Ellicott Ciry, does Phil worry (before it actually happens), that Lina nd Kim will run into each other?

    I can see him expressing his concerns to Wayne or Mike on the subject and worrying what Kim would say to Lina….Ir gives me shivers thinking what the witch would say to Lina

  25. Ann says:

    Tracie I’m with you! I was skimming through the beginning of WPF today. I always pick up something new too. Especially the way Phil gets pissed off every time Lina mentions dr. Drayton and he hasn’t even met him yet!!

  26. Tracie says:

    I don’t care what I’m doing Lol…When SN comes out I’m deep diving from Prologue to Epilogue…Then I’ll probably go back to Prologue and start a surface swim to Epilogue again…I pick up something every time a read a Chapter of WPF or I see it from a different angle…Then we will have our after the swim discussion….that will be so fun!

  27. Ann says:

    Hey maybe while you’re recuperating SN will be out!!

  28. Ann says:

    Tracie is your husband going to be taking care of you after the surgery?

    • Tracie says:

      Yes him and my daughter….but I tend to be a bit headstrong and want to do things on my own..but I want to get well so I’m going to swallow my pride a little and do what the doctor tells me to do…

  29. Tracie says:

    Ann what you just described to Laura sounds like something out of a Hallmark movie…that would be awesome to walk around and look….My hip is there…my thigh is twice it’s normal size because of the inflammation..I actually felt sorry for my doctor yesterday..He didn’t have an opening for surgery until February, but he said it would be cruel for me to be in pain that long, so he changed his schedule and added me on to a light surgery day. He apologized again for the drill bit breaking off in my leg….But he is busting his ass to take care of me and being honest…So I told him don’t worry about it, just fix me….I only have to spend one night in the hospital…I’m ready to get it done and over with, been fighting this since August….

    • Katie says:

      I love your personality, Tracie. Some would raise hell over a drill bit. “No drill bits left behind!” I feel like there was a similar quote from the movie Trolls. I swear my mind is mush since becoming a mom. I don’t know where kids’ movies end and reality begins.
      I’m over here in SD trying to decide which pair of sandals to wear to take the dog for a walk. High 60s and sunny here today. ?

      Ann, Hampden sounds idyllic!!

    • Tracie says:

      Thanks Kbabe no since in bitching about it…Accidents happen….now what do we do to fix it….onward and upward..Lol

  30. Ann says:

    Morning ladies. We sure made merry last night too. I was feeling pretty rough this morning and just got back from the airport to drop Meg off. I miss her already.
    Laura, Hampden does have all the Christmas lights on 34th street. Every house is decorated like crazy. These are old row homes built in the 1800’s. Meg lived in Hampden during her last 2 years at Towson. You should visit The Avenue where all the shops and cafes are located. This area has gotten very trendy and it’s close to Johns Hopkins university.
    Anything new with the Hunters? I miss them. Lol.
    Tracie how is the hip today?

  31. Tracie says:

    That was Janet that wanted to know about calling Logan buddy, but I knew Phil did….I went back and read the pool scene in WPF and Lina did reflect back to when Logan was little with Phil…..

    Phil loves his kids no doubt and I can see that when Liam is with them, Phil wanting to give him his full attention since that time is limited…There may even be a time in SN where Logan has to have a knot jerked in his butt, because he’s being unreasonable about Liam….in fact, Liam will probably work it out with Logan on his own, just by being cute and invading Logan’s space…

    Do you run with Chandler at the dog park or just sit and watch? Because I’m wondering how you can sit in 20 degreeweather for 2 hours without generating heat…You need to get those little heat packets you can put in your gloves or socks…

  32. Laura says:

    Good morning!
    I was out being merry last night and this morning I spent two hours at the dog park – my fingers are still frozen. It’s in the low 20s and sunny. Every time I tried to leave someone new would show up — all of Chandler’s girlfriends. Anyway, he should be tired now.
    Tracie — yes to Phil calling Logan Buddy — I actually had a scene where that was mentioned but it didn’t make the cut. And there is no mention or ornaments but that would have been a cute idea.

    Ann — I’ve never been to Hampden — I just looked it up. I will definitely go. Is that where they have the Christmas lights everyone talks about?

  33. Tracie says:

    Good Morning Girls, Cold and rainy today in Oklahoma…I’m getting in the Christmas Spirit….drum roll please….I bought wrapping paper….Lol.

    After the angel tree topper, I wonder if Lina bought special ornaments for her kids that go on the tree with their names…I wonder if Liam would get a special ornament for his first Christmas with the family?? Lina would get him an ornament even if the witch doesn’t allow him to visit them on Christmas Eve….

  34. Katie says:

    Ok ladies, here are my next few books- tell me if I should skip any.
    Only Love by Melanie Harlow
    Summer’s Edge by Noel Cades (professor-student)
    Good by S. Walden (professor-student)
    The Forbidden by Jodi Ellen Malpas (taboo)

    • janet says:

      I thought forbidden was bit boring. I liked her this man series more but too much sex. Good in ott way. S Walden was ok. Never finished one book I started by M Harlow. Is she good? I need a book recommendation till SN comes out too.

  35. Tracie says:

    Laura you out with friends getting the Christmas season started? I’m setting in a recliner with my leg elevated and a blanket on my lap…I look like I need to be at the home waiting on the next game of Bingo to start…

    • janet says:

      If it wasn’t for your hip I would say that’s a perfect Friday night. Curled up in a recliner reading a book. I can see you in front of a fireplace with your dogs next to your recliner.

  36. Tracie says:

    I’m sure he would have…I think I remember Lina thinking about when Phil swam in the pool with Logan on his back….I may be wrong but I think it was the pool scene….when all the kids were trying to take Phil down…

    I think we all felt sorry for Logan in WPF and we are fearing that Phil has a new toy in Liam and Logan will be pushed to the wayside by Phil. Not have much tolerance for Logan and go above and beyond for Liam… I think Phil has intolerance for anyone that may be impeding his progress..but he loves Logan dearly and they will have to heal just like Lina and Phil….There will be good scenes between Logan and Phil and bad scenes between the two, but that is to be expected…I think when Logan accepts Liam that will probably mean more to Phil than when Lina does it, because at the point he knows his family is complete…

  37. Tracie says:

    Laura is my car scene still in play? Does it ever come up about Lina’s disappointment on the retiremwnt plans? I’m hoping that is why Phil planned a weekend with her….I can here Phil tell Lina now, baby we have him every other weekend, we can still take trips and do things as a couple….Liam is not a prison sentence baby, we can still enjoy our lives..

    Do you girls think Phil’s chest kind of puffs out knowing older girls are after Logan? Remember Katie thinking in WPF that her friend Emma had started noticing him…..I can see Phil saying he looks like his dad what would you expect…..

    • janet says:

      I don’t think he puffs his chest out but sounds like something Megan would say or do. What I’m wondering is did Phil call Logan buddy when he was Liam’s age?

  38. janet says:

    I just finished a sloooow book but the MC carried a drawing of the heroine when they were apart. Thought that was sweet. Do you think Phil carried a memento while they were apart? I don’t think so but maybe there’s a sweet mushy side when it comes to Lina. Lol

  39. Tracie says:

    My grandma use to use so much Aqua Net the beads of hairspray on her hair use to look like those 1980 oil lamps…Remember those Ann where the oil ran down the fishing line and recirculated itself…So glad you and your girls are having so much fun…Add some raunchy for me doll…

  40. Ann says:

    Hey girls, just checking in. Tracie I’m so sorry about your hip. Once you recover from the surgery you will be back to normal.
    I’m hosting an all girls dinner tonight. Since Meg is home, I’m having my sister and niece and meg’s girlfriends here tonight. My husband can eat but then he has to go somewhere LOL. Our conversations can get pretty raunchy. My daughters went to Hamden today for shopping and lunch. Laura have you ever been to Hampden for Hon Fest? It is a real experience. It’s held second weekend in June. They have contests for the biggest beehive hairdo and an Aqua net hairspray booth.
    I’m still thinking about the Hunters and Phil. No book has ever consumed me like this one.

  41. Tracie says:

    Good afternoon girls, my hip is collapsing so I’m getting a new hip for Christmas…Surgery on Dec 18th, so glad I got you guys and the Hunter’s while I recoop!

    • Katie says:

      I’m so sorry, that sounds awful.

    • Laura says:

      Oh boy! The day after your birthday! You’ll be up and walking the next day! Sorry you’re having to go through this but you’ll be fine. My dad doesn’t even use his cane all the time and he’s old. I suppose this means you don’t have to go to a rehab facility?

      • Tracie says:

        No rehab Lol…they will send a physical therapist to my house for 2 weeks and then PT for 2 more and I should be good to go…They said my hip would be good for 20 years…Lol

        How are my Hunters today? I’m wondering if Phil’s and Kim are going to go to court over custody? I can’t see her giving Lina and Phil a break anywhere!

        • Katie says:

          I was thinking today. Why was Diane so non-chalant about the affair? I understood Alice- it’s her personality. What about Diane though? Maybe she or Wayne had cheated…

          • Tracie says:

            Okay girls I’m at the mall minding my own business, I was standing by the entrance waiting on Hailee. She went to get the car…This really tall big boned lady approached me and said are you alone…I said no I’m waiting on my car to be brought around why? She said well you look so little on these crutches and I just wanted to escort you to your car…Well thank you but that’s not necessary thank you….She said do you see this jacket I’m wearing and I said yes (it said Apollo Karate)…she said I don’t just wear the jacket, I take the classes…

          • janet says:

            How’s your cold? Did you get a flu shot? I don’t know why I’m obsessed with people getting flu shots every winter but when i am.. I think it’s becasue Diane is older. She also loves Lina and Phil together and must know Phil loves Lina. They’ve been bffs for so long and I have a feeling Diane would forgive Wayne if he cheated.

          • Tracie says:

            I don’t think either one cheated, Diane wanted to act nonchalant about the fair so their marriage would stay intact….

          • janet says:

            A stranger wants you to take karate classes? You crack me up. Standing there minding your own business…

          • Tracie says:

            No she wanted me to know she took karate classes…She also told me her and her husband had got a divorce and then got remarried and he bought her a Mercedes…All I said was Cool and have a good one…Hailee had pulled up out front by then…

          • Katie says:

            Tracie, I think she (mall lady) wanted to fur trade.

          • Tracie says:

            The only fur trade she would get is if her cat shared a hair ball…LOL

          • Katie says:

            Tracie, that’s quite a come on…let me walk you to your car, I have moves under this jacket…

          • Laura says:

            Lol that was my take too. Trying to impress Tracie

          • Tracie says:

            Not impressed Lol…

        • janet says:

          Man oh man Tracie! You hang in there. Not the present you were hoping but it’ll be good as new by end of Dec! What’s the down time?

          Lots of porch pirates going around. The drama this morning was the security patrol
          Caught the bicycle thief. Some
          Sephora stuff.

          • Tracie says:

            I’ll be off work for a month and then probably half days for two more….

            Do you think Kim and Phil will have a court battle? I do…

          • janet says:

            For full custody they would have to go to court. How wil Phil get full? Kim screws up big time if Phil gets full. I hope he rips her head apart

          • Tracie says:

            You are in one of your Kim violent moods today me too! The mall just in itself has made me that one…I’m going to have to go read the scene where Phil has to put Liam in the crib…that’s a good Kim hate scene…I’m excited about the 8 scenes she is writing…Now I wouldn’t mind having a Kim getting flushed snippet…Lol

          • Laura says:

            With all the security cameras on people’s home? People can’t get away with this any more

          • Laura says:

            Someone stole my father’s credit card number and had $6,000 worth of clothes from Saks delivered to him and must have been watching the house because they took it off the porch

          • janet says:

            Omg but they do this a lot. Send it to billing address and swipe it. It happened to me too! Target.com and charged 3 drones shipped it to my house and stole 2. I only found out becasue the 3rd one came while I was home. Couple years back.

          • Tracie says:

            My daughter had an amazon order a couple of weeks ago delivered and it was stolen off her porch too…Last year my daughter-in-law has ordered a Coach purse and it was stolen…Coach replaced it….I’m so sorry that happen s to your dad….

  42. Katie says:

    See this is where I’m not sure. Does Lina need all of the kids to accept Liam before she can or do the kids (especially Logan) need Lina to accept Liam before they can?
    I guess if Logan is last to fall, he needed Lina to be ok with it before he could be.

    • Tracie says:

      Okay girls I have a think question, I’m at Toby Keith’s in OKC and it’s getting crowded so I told my husband I was going to the bathroom he always says where is it and keeps an eye on me and the door, until I’m back to my seat… So in a crowded bar or restaurant would Phil do the same or would he go with Lina?

  43. Tracie says:

    I don’t think Logan would become rebellious, he has to much love and respect for his mother….I think he might try to segregate himself to punish Phil for having another son…but like I said above Phil won’t have it…he loves Logan….

  44. Katie says:

    Children have a way of infiltrating the heart. I know I could accept the child and raise him as my own for that reason. The baby mama would be my issue. Does Lina have a harder time with Liam or with Kim?

  45. Tracie says:

    I’m really hoping after the fight there is a scene with Phil, Logan and Liam that is happy…I can see Phil and Logan in the yard throwing the Lacrosse Ball and Lina coming out with Liam…Liam gets excited and runs into the yard screaming LoLo. Logan picks him up and says…Little man you might as well start learning the game early, its a must being born into this family. Logan squats with Liam, putting the lacrosse ball in his hand and tells him to throw the ball back to dad….Phil is watching with absolute love and adoration for both his sons as Liam throws the ball in his direction….I don’t know how Laura does it, that made me feel weepy….

    • Tracie says:

      I need to clarify, I don’t think there will be a fight per say, but an emotional event between the two or three if Lina is included where hurts and concerns will be addressed…

  46. Katie says:

    Poor Logan. Phil will be an asshole. But he’ll rein it in for Lina, to keep her happy. Logan will act out, stay away from the house. There will be a climatic fight. Then a coming to Jesus moment for everyone. Phil really needs to works this out- a child should never be left to feel like they are a disappointment.

  47. Tracie says:

    Don’t you think a lot of Logan’s trust issue revolve around Lina?

    Logan always felt like he didn’t measure up to Phil’s standard in WPF…Remember when he told Lina, maybe his new son won’t be such a disappointment…Logan has some jealousy issues that only Phil will be able to put to rest…

  48. janet says:

    Can you tell us if it’s mostly Phil and Lina scenes? 8!!!!! Yay!!!

    Get over it. He isn’t Nick. but phil will try harder because he knows he cant make the same mistake he did with Katie. But first Phil needs to earn Logan’s respect and regain his trust.

    • Laura says:

      across the board. Lina and Kim. Lina and Phil. family. Phil and Mike

      • janet says:

        Omg Lina and Kim!! So good!!!

      • janet says:

        Lair, I’m going over today’s posts. Do you think Lina and Kim need closure? For you to add these extra scenes in. 2 became 8! No complaints from me(I’m really hoping for the 500 pages) but curious why they need a scene together.

        • janet says:

          Laura! Not Lair

        • Laura says:

          No, none of these are critical scenes. Just things I thought would add to the story. I normally finish a story and then reread it a couple of weeks later, add or subtract and then send to editor. I didn’t have time before I sent to the editor so this is normal except I’ll have to add them in myself. And I don’t think Lina and Kim need closure.

  49. Tracie says:

    Laura it depends on the situation for me…I don’t think Phil would tolerate Logan pulling to far away from the family…I believe Phil when he said he wouldn’t lose Logan in WPF….If Phil is growing, he will be hurt by Logan’s snub, but will not tolerate disrespect.. I’m hoping Phil takes extra time with Logan, to reassure him of his place in his life….Lina not happy, there is nobody going to be happy…

    Does Logan give Phil a wide berth in SN?

  50. Tracie says:

    Think about this…until Logan feels comfortable and fully accepts Liam, that is going to keep Lina upset…Phil doesn’t want Lina upset, so does that mean Phil will put more pressure on Logan? Phil will either feel like shit or he’ll turn disgruntle if Logan doesn’t want to be around when Liam is there, because Lina would feel like her son is being run out of his own home….

    Logan is going to turn to this new girlfriend and stay away from the house, especially when Liam is there…I can just see the Hunter’s setting down to dinner and Phil saying where is Logan..Lina saying he wasn’t hungry he’s in his room…Phil saying he’s not doing this Lina, he is going to eat with this family…Lina says, Please Phil don’t push the issue…I am going to push the issue Lina, Logan cannot checkout of this family, because of Liam. This is our new realty and he needs to accept Liam as part of this family….Phil heads for the stairs…Dammit…Lol

  51. Laura says:

    I read through the entire manuscript and am adding eight scenes. I’ll just slip them in when I get it back from the editor.

    How do you feel Phil will handle Logan’s snub of Liam?

  52. deighj says:

    I too would vote Megan and she does present as a narcissistic personality. My next choice would be Logan.

  53. deighj says:

    Good morning ladies. Finally caught up with all the posts. I love reading the scenarios on here, gets the ol heartbeat revved up. The visuals do help the imagination. You gals are so talented.

    Trace, wishing for the best on your hip and hoping it doesn’t end up a replacement. I do remember your funny posts while on meds, just too funny.

    Ann I hope your time with your daughters is as enjoyable as my son’s visit has been for me. He visits so many places and the stories he tells are funny in retrospect though he assures me not so at the time.

    I do have a question about Bruce and Susan Hunter. Did either of them reach out to Lina after they became aware of the affair and Liam, offer her support? Mike and Jeanie? Will this be covered in SN? Diane didn’t offer Lina any support in WPF. More like ‘it happened, get over it.’ Wonder what her reaction would have have been had it been Wayne that strayed.

    • Laura says:

      I think it was implied in WPF that both Phil’s parent reached out to Lina. She had them at her home on Christmas. She thinks of them as parents. I also mentioned that Lina talks on the phone to Susan almost weekly. And as far as Phil’s brother and wife, I mentioned in WPF that Jeanie didn’t reach out to Lina but Lina didn’t care because they’ve never been close

      • Tracie says:

        Now that we’ve all checked in with an answer, are you going to tell us, who the most stubborn Hunter actually is? You know it will slay me if you don’t….Lol

          • janet says:

            So what was going on with that emotional Megan scene? Is Megan the first to accept Liam then since she asked Lina to just forgive Phil. I so think a reveal is warranted here Laura. Lol

          • Tracie says:

            Omg i should of went with my gut….Dammit…I hate to lose…Lol

          • Tracie says:

            No big reveals J until the book…

          • Tracie says:

            Laura now that Logan is the most stubborn and I might add sweet, does Phil resent Logan for not accepting Liam? When Logan finally does accept Liam does Phil feel thankful?

          • janet says:

            You know what? This tells me Megan thinks the sun rises and sets with Phil. He can do no wrong. Lina will have to be the first one to fully accept Liam so the kids can follow in her direction. You don’t want a snippet Tracie?

          • Tracie says:

            I can do a snippet if Laura wants to share, but I don’t want a big reveal..You know I am like you, I will have to flip back and forth on big reveals and read again…

  54. Katie says:

    I missed the scenarios last night, T and J- amazing!
    I say Lina- no one is as hurt by the affair as she is. Kids are resilient, busy, self-absorbed…I think the whole book will be about pulling back the layers of Lina’s pain, resentment, insecurity, etc. to allow her to fully accept Liam. I imagine the ending with Lina saying she has 4 children, or maybe something symbolic- like adding an L charm for Liam to her necklace with M, K, and L charms.

  55. Tracie says:

    Thanks Ann…I hope you are your daughters are having a great time…

    Megan will gravitate toward her mom more with Liam around and resent her dad if she’s not the center of his world. This is where the whole Hunter family has to grow with the inclusion of Liam. Phil can’t just stop being a dad to the other three, because it is his weekend with Liam. The teenagers are still going to have problems and activities that require daddy Phil. The kids have to accept the fact that Liam is a baby and Phil doesn’t have near the expectations of him (yet) that he does of the other three…There will be jealousy…but Phil has to prove to them and Lina that he can shift from a father of teenagers, to a daddy of a toddler and meet everyone’s needs….

    • Ann says:

      Hi Tracie, Yes we are having fun. My husband and I and the daughter who is visiting are on our way to the movies and late lunch. We are going to see The Green Book.
      Check in with you ladies later today.

  56. Ann says:

    Good Morning Ladies.
    First off I would like to compliment Tracie and Janet for their great scenarios. You two ladies have missed your calling. Your Kim theories are wild and so entertaining. You ladies have Phil down to a T.

    As far as which Hunter will take longest to accept Liam. I’m going with Megan. Logan has a good heart and Katie has really changed since Matt came into her life. Plus I think Katie was always in Megan’s shadow since Megan is mini Phil, the overachiever! Katie knows how it feels to be left out and I think she will want to take care of Liam, even if she won’t admit it. When Megan comes home from school for breaks, Phil will be tied up some weekends when Liam is at the house and might not be able to run with her like they used to.

    • janet says:

      Ok me too Megan now. She’s an attention monger. She will be the most jealous one. Maybe she has narcissistic tendencies… never thought of that.

      Ok I’m going to Krispy Kreme today and get a proper fritter. Oink

  57. Tracie says:

    Okay it is going to be Megan….I’ve thought about it..Logan is going to be around Liam the most because he’s the youngest of the three and will fall for the cutie, because a toddler will not leave you alone if they want attention….Megan is use to Phil stopping everything to give her full attention, just like when Lina was kissing him in the kitchen and Megan walked in and it was like Lina who…..It is Megan….no doubt

  58. Tracie says:

    Now I’m on the fence again…since there was an emotional scene with Megan, it could be her too!!!!

  59. Tracie says:

    I would say Logan, because of his jealousy….does Phil’s parents come into play?

  60. Laura says:

    Good morning — so which Hunter will take the longest to accept Liam?

    • janet says:

      Logan. He looks for his dads approval and then comes new baby who doesn’t require Phil’s approval. Phil May even miss a lax game because of Liam. Also his age-15 is hard. It’s an awkward age with hormonal changes and sex on the brain. Megan is a girl and older. She’s too wrapped up in herself to feel the insecurities she doesn’t have unlike Logan. Katie has Matt and Alice.

  61. Tracie says:

    Good Morning, I just saw the blond scene, Janet it was awesome….That’s like her saying “we are just having fun, Phil.” Ewww..I’m wondering how she is going to draw attention to herself, since Phil told Mike she still wanted Phil to fuck her….Lol….

  62. Tracie says:

    Janet what about Lina taking Liam to the grocery store with her because Phil was having to work on a brief and Katie wasn’t home. Kim is at the store and notices Lina with Liam without Phil and nuts out on Lina in the produce section….

    • janet says:

      Shits going to hit the fan and a bystander will call 911. For sure. Did you read my blonde hair up there? You can see her saying this? Sometimes I hate Phil when I imagine stuff like that.

  63. Tracie says:

    I think Kim would be a creeper don’t you?

    • janet says:

      yes she is a schemer. She will see and store in her head and use it to her benefit. But if she saw them in the grocery store she will march up and cause a scene with Lina. Like how dare Lina play with her toys/ possession/ baby? No sharing for kimmy. Oh let’s call her Kimmy. aww kimmy what do you see? Daddy and mommy and baby? You arent included?

  64. Tracie says:

    Lina that’s why we are here tonight baby, so we aren’t in earshot of the kids…Phil that bitch is like a thorn in my fucking side…How close does she live to us Phil? Lina she lives about a mile and half from us on ?….Oh my God Phil are you kidding me.. Phil let’s out a deep sigh I wish I was baby…I can’t control where the fuck she lives…I don’t want her near me or my kids do you understand me? I’ll see her everywhere now…Baby please don’t let this drive a wedge between us, I promise we’ll work this out. I didn’t know Phil, that accepting Liam I had to accept her too! Lina you don’t! Phil i guess my forgiveness for what you did has ensured my life will always be hindered by her bitterness this is my fate. Oh baby, no it’s not, everything will calm down, she’s just a jealous bitch trying to cause havoc in our marriage, please don’t let her baby…

    • janet says:

      I love it! Ugh! Let’s beat her up. Oh my god are you kidding me Phil? I loved that. Poor Phil.

    • Laura says:

      LOL. Way to go, Tracie

      • Tracie says:

        Way to many babies, but I do love it when he calls her baby…Lol

        • janet says:

          Me too. I don’t think he calls her anything else that we know of.

          • Tracie says:

            Think about this one..Lina and Phil take Liam to an outdoor park with baby swings and slides…Lina has Liam on her lap as she slides down the slide with Phil waiting to catch them both.. They are all three laughing.Phil leans over and kisses Liam’s head and then gives Lina a quick peck on the lips….Standing across the street in the grocery store parking lot is Kim…watching with fury the family that should be hers head for Phil’s car….

          • janet says:

            The witch will be sipping a smoothie and planning at night. Laura, does Phil take Liam to the park? When Linas busy and Phil has Liam alone where do they go?

        • janet says:

          I know who Phil is! Bruce Springsteen!! Yes? No? He even has that growl when he talks.

  65. Tracie says:

    Janet think about when Phil and Lina are in a social environment and Kim shows up now that she lives in the hood….Phil could probably bite nails…

    • janet says:

      Yes! Like at the restaurant we keep putting them in. If Laura actually has a scene like that in SN we will scream.
      Lina will get upset. Why didn’t you tell me she’s still here? She’s sitting right across from us
      Baby I just found out yesterday she was moving
      That’s 24 hours too late Phil. You said no more secrets…. Dun dun dun. You take over Tracie.

  66. Tracie says:

    I loved the song it was beautiful J-Girl

    • janet says:

      Oh ok. I don’t know what popped up. Just read your scene. Content is right on. But again, I accuse you of being too nice. Lol. You need to drop some f bombs when he’s with Kim and take out some verbs. you are the one who says Phil growls. And I think Phil grunts here and there too. Sorry!!!

      • Tracie says:

        Add to the dialogue…put your spin on it

      • Tracie says:

        You are so right Phil would say I don’t give a fuck what you want, I have rights as his father and I intend on invoking those rights…

        • janet says:

          Lord you know it’ll be like a few lines because he doesn’t want to talk to her but I saw a pretty lady at the salon with gorgeous blonde hair yesterday….
          Where’s Liam. I’m running late,” he mutters as he drops a pile of papers on her end table.
          What’s this? Did you forget I no longer work for you Phil? Btw, do you like my new haircut? I had the stylist cut it the way you told me you liked it.
          What the hell are you talking about? This is the revised visitation rights. I told Tim I would drop it off. He emailed you the copy.
          Phil, I told you you could see Liam anytime. You are his father. His name is Liam Hunter. You chose that name for him at the hospital remember? Don’t you also remember how you loved my hair at the Larson trial in ny and you wanted to see it spread out on our pillow? I remember everything Phil. How good we were together.
          You know nothing. Remember something that doesn’t exist? You delusional bitch go get my son. (Imagine this part with a guttural voice/growl or however
          Phil talks to Kim). All this because I saw pretty hair.

  67. janet says:

    Watching this newer version of band aid 30 on repeat. Sinead and bono still got it. Sorry. Nothing to do with hunters but maybe Logan and Katie have heard.


  68. Tracie says:

    Ann I did a tell Kim theory for you…everyone is going to kill me but unless Laura just cant wait to share something with us, I’m like her and don’t want anymore scenes from SN, until I can read the book! I can’t control my imagination Lol

    Laura can read fun scenarios now that she is through writing the book! Let’s entertain her for awhile, she deserves it!

  69. Tracie says:

    I think Phil will bring Liam home from an afternoon visit and tell Kim he has some changes to discuss with her in his visitation, that he is going to want to start having full weekends and overnight stays…Kim will say, Phil I think that’s great…Do you have a crib at your rental? That’s what we need to discuss, Lina and I have reconciled.. I want Liam and my other children to have more time to bond and for Liam to become comfortable around my family….Kim says I don’t see that happening, our custody agreement only allows for several hours of visitation per week, not overnight visits, nor do I want my son around her! Kim our custody agreement has only afternoon visits because of his age. .There is still the clause where we both agreed the visitation could be modified once he reach 9 months old and I’m going through my attorney to exercise that option…Kim looks at Phil and says That is our son and I do not want him confused about who his mother is…Phil looks at Kim and says with a clipped tone, Liam won’t be confused and Liam will be a part of my family, you’ll being hearing from my lawyer, so we can negotiate a new custody agreement. Kim says I won’t agree to my son being exposed to her or her children, do you hear me! Then Laura scene kicks in where he takes Liam to his nursery…Thata the way I imagine it

  70. Tracie says:

    Katie said men are so helpless regarding Phil and the diaper…I was worried he was going to treat Logan to nonchalant in SN because of Liam. Now with the snippets Laura shared I think they are on an even playing field…Lol God Bless Katie she really is Phil’s cross to bare…I love how she runs her dad through the ringer…

    • janet says:

      Katie like our Kbabe here has street creds. Lol. I thought charge him the $20. You don’t know what’s in that thing. My kids try and get $20 just answering the front door when I can’t. Get the door! It’s fedex with signature required.
      Get the door now. He can’t leave.
      Fine just sign. I’ll kill you later.

  71. Ann says:

    I can’t wait for the scene where Kim finds out that Phil and Lina are back together.
    You know I think about the Hunters all the time, am I sick? Another reason I think I’m hooked on Phil is because of his personality. He’s hot, smart, great career and a major ass!

  72. Laura says:

    BTW my sister showed up at my father’s with Dunkin Coffee and chocolate munchkins. I’ve basically eaten them all day.

    • janet says:

      So funny! I stopped by at an inferior donut place today and got an apple fritter. It was rancid and gross. Lucky ducky you!

      • Tracie says:

        What are chocolate munchkins?

        Laura does your sister still read our blog?

        • janet says:

          Cake donut holes. Vanilla not as yummy. Do you have Dunkin’ Donuts there? Also their ham and Swiss is really good surprisingly. You wouldn’t think so. Gosh I’m hungry. Gonna eat my leftover curry and think of drowning Kim in my sauce. Tracie guess what I made in my toaster oven today? Kale chips! It worked. Lol

        • Laura says:

          This sister doesn’t which is why it was such a coincidence. My brother texted me today. Haven’t spoken to him in a while but he was up on the blog. He said he checks in a couple of times a week lol

    • janet says:

      I must be thinking about Tracie’s post again bc I read BMW instead of BTW. I don’t think I’ve seen his car in real life. Is his car gunmetal grey? Lina drives a black Mercedes suv? Matt drives a dodge? I remember Katie’s board.

  73. Tracie says:

    It was Ann that wanted theory’s on the pictures…I honestly don’t have any…

    I have been thinking about the scene with Phil telling Kim about the reconciliation though…

    • janet says:

      Lord only Laura’s family knows answers to that and this week I’m not obsessed with those pictures. Next week I’ll be on the bandwagon again.

      Today I thought about if Phil ever feels anxiety when he sees Kim’s phone number lighting up his cell. I feel like he has to keep his guard up since she can always strike. It shouldn’t be, why the hell is this woman calling me now but rather, shit, the bitch better not have called Lina before contacting me. Does it ruin his whole day when Kim reaches out or at least half a day? What kind of impact does Kim have on Phil and Linas daily life? None?

  74. Ann says:

    Hi sisters. I’ve been hanging with my daughter today, the one who lives in Michigan. My youngest daughter, the teacher, turned 28 today and we all just got back from dinner to celebrate her birthday. My girls are here and they both talk so much and they’re loud but I love it.

    SN, The pictures are driving me crazy. I can’t wait to hear Phil’s explanation and I hope it gives us closure. The fact that Jordan was satisfied gives me hope. Steamboat is the one that I need to understand. I want to know why Phil decided to take that bitch to their vacation home in their bed. I know men think differently but still! Phil and Lina just consume my life now!
    Laura I can relate to your Dad getting upset over President Bush’s funeral. Bush was a good person even if you didn’t agree with his political views.

    • janet says:

      I just read Tracie’s comment to the pictures. I don’t remember us talking about them yesterday. Wasn’t Liana on with us yesterday?

  75. janet says:

    Sorry! Had to drop car off in the am and when it rains here nobody remembers how to drive! Was refreshing but when I didn’t see post I thought it was my phone acting up again. I have horrible coverage. Lol about diaper. I noticed same in the other snippet how Phil held Liam out so Kim could change his diaper. Phil is Phil. Thank god you didn’t completely redeem him. Bahaha.

    President Bush’s eulogy to his father was beautiful.

  76. Katie says:

    I was down for 2 days from a cold and my screen. My excuse today is I’m catching up on all the domestic things that fall apart in 2 days.

  77. Tracie says:

    But I did think of my Phil today I saw a car like Phil’s in gunmetal gray today….I can so see my hunk of burning love driving that sleek ride…..

  78. Laura says:

    not Lina and Phil but it will have to do…

    Phil was late to pick up Liam and then forgot to pick up food on the way home. “Just order a pizza,” he told Katie, handing off Liam to her. “I think he needs a diaper change.”
    “No way.”
    “I’ll give you ten dollars.”
    “Fifteen and make sure he’s completely clean and dry.”

    • Tracie says:

      Bahahaha. I love that…Lina would of said are you kidding me, you are not paying her a dime, give me that baby…Lol……

      It is hard to get old…but I’m happy he can walk with a cane…Sounds like me and him are hip buddies….

    • Tracie says:

      Katie has to order dinner and change the diaper…Yes Phil is lost when Lina is not home…Lol….Supper would of been on the table and a diaper change would of been free…You can see right there how much Lina does in the home, and I hope Phil is realizing it too….

    • Katie says:

      Lina must be in NY?
      Men can be so helpless.

  79. Laura says:

    I spent the day with my dad — watched the Bush funeral (my dad cried). That’s my excuse for being gone all day. What happened to everyone else?

    • Tracie says:

      Sorry about your dad getting upset… how is he feeling? My husband had a doctors appointment in Muskogee so we went shopping afterwards and ate a late lunch…Just got home.

  80. janet says:

    Laura, when you said give descriptions of outfits for Lina you are planning to add them into scenes after editor?

    Omg Tracie, it’s your birthday month. I just remembered. Laura, I feel like she would appreciate a scene from SN? Haha. Used you again Tracie but it’s your ?! Maybe tomorrow you will get a surprise! Phil in his custom made brooks and Lina in a high slit work skirt?
    Do you get the day off tomorrow?
    Hasta luego Ladies. Homework time.

    • Laura says:

      Yes but I won’t put brands – just descriptions. An editor told me not to put brands. Let people imagine what they want. Tracie how close are we to the bday?

      • janet says:

        Right. No brands. I agree. Jr ward did this in her vampire series and it threw me off. Just color and fabric is good enough on Linas swan neck. For Xmas, white cashmere dress with bateau neck and stockings works for me. And red stilettos. I wonder what Kim will wear for her office Christmas party. Is her lover at the party?!

      • Tracie says:

        My birthday is the 17th. I’ll be 55 or double nickel as my daddy would of said….Lol

        • Katie says:

          I love all of my old friends!!

          • Tracie says:

            This old hen loves you you young chicks too!

            Ann as yesterday
            what our theory was on the pictures…I have no idea what they could be….The picture of him in her bed, the only thing I can rationalize is he left Lina on Sunday nights because he didn’t want to fight with Lina and that was an easy way out for him… The picture of them at the bar no earthly idea. Steamboat no idea either…..He had an affair and he’s going to have to take the lumps…If Lina is still bitter after his answers then it is what it is…He had an affair…and acted very selfishly……

  81. janet says:

    Laura did you cheat on the Hunters today? How much of Lucas Roe do you have left to write? Noah and kelly I will have to wait till summer to read. Otherwise it may depress me.

    • Laura says:

      No cheating today. Focuses on SN again. I’m going to write a couple of romance novels before the next family drama. I have about 75 pages of Nick Prossi and about the same for Lucas Roe

  82. Ann says:

    Every bit Lina Hunter! Good eye Katie!

  83. Tracie says:

    I love the fitted suit coats, but no way would Phil wear a skinny pant leg…any thing that’s looks like Lina’s pants he’s not wearing…maybe a tapered leg but not a skinny pant leg…

    • Katie says:

      Agree. Brooks has several fits. More traditional for our Philly.

      • Tracie says:

        He strikes me as traditional….My Phil is a MANMAL…growl growl…..he is not skinny pants nor does he drink latte’s…..

        This is a funny story Kbabe you will appreciate it…because you husband is a fireman…Well I work very closely with the Fire Chief (which my son hates). I’m over Law Enforcement and Security….So our programs overlap, and we went to the Fire
        Chiefs Connference together in Kansas
        City…Chief is an old cranky dude that I just love and I talked him in to going to Starbucks on one of our breaks. I go up to the counter and ordered my White Chocolate Mocha and move aside for him to order and he says black coffee and the barista says would you like to try this and that with froth and flavoring…etc…Chief says coffee black only! He rings it up and it’s like five bucks, well you would of thought the guy told him his dog died…We get our coffees and go out the front door, Chief takes a drink of that coffee and spits it out like a fish fountain and says that overpriced shit taste like panther piss….I busted out laughing, he threw it in the trash…I said are you kidding me, he said Kid Fire house coffee puts that shit to shame…..He is hard of hearing and he says, he’s that way because of the perpetual whining of young firefighters….He treats this boys like gold though…..

  84. Laura says:

    Thank you! I should have done this a long time ago. I hate describing outfits and you don’t need to do it often but you should a couple of times to give readers an idea.

    • janet says:

      Yes. I gobbled up the way you described Lina in the dress at the wedding. Loved the spa treatment she and Diane had together. Since Lina is working now maybe she can do this once a month? I was reading a book by an unknown author(to me) and it wasn’t till 80 percent that the hero I was reading about was black. Maybe I skimmed when she said mocha complexion but it threw me off. No way I’m a racist but it was MC novel and he was the pres. anyway I love it when you describe Phil’s black boxer briefs, Linas jean shorts, and nicks White linen shirt.

  85. Katie says:

    Brooks Brothers for Phil’s suit.
    I’ll look up Lina work outfit ideas later.

    • janet says:

      Why can’t he wear Tom Ford or Ralph Lauren or Hermes or YSL or Armani? Brooks brothers may be too cheap for Phil no? Ugh you are right. Phil is conservative so no metro. Still..
      Maybe for court he can wear Armani for Tracie. My husband loves j crew suits. My dad wears Brioni and Valentino. Lots of options for Phil.

      • Katie says:

        I’m just basing this off of my perception of the characters. Brooks Brothers suits presidents. 2-5k for a custom suit. Very conservative. Same with the brands Lina might wear. I see her in a lot of Elie Tahari for work, and only fine jewelry, no costume jewelry.

  86. Tracie says:

    What brand of suit would you put Phil in girls? Would he go to a tailor to get a fitted Armani or would he buy an Armani and go get it tailored specifically for him?

    • Tracie says:

      That’s casual but it needs to have a little more edge…maybe accessories…

      I see Lina coming home with the family spread out between the kitchen and family…She’s wearing red Slim ankle pant with a black silk shell and fitted short jacket to match pants…she has plain black stilettos on…She comes through the door and Phil very much appreciates the view…her clothes are as fitted as his suit…Phil is making a beeline toward her for a kiss, but Liam is closer and comes running…she literally squats to his level (in stilettos) wrapping him in a big exaggerated hug saying I missed you….Phil helps her stand with Liam in her arms and Logan says mom can we eat now I’m starving…Lol. Phil doesn’t let Lina go until he gets that kiss…Swoon…

  87. Janet says:

    So Katie said St. John eceningwear Loved it. Tracie said Rosie Huntington love that too. I say for work clothes Kelly Wearstler who is a famous LA designer and Aerin Lauder for more NYC chic. What do you think Jordan?

  88. Tracie says:

    Girls look up pictures of Rosie Huntington Whiteley on the workout gear. I can see Lina dressing like her….Do you think Lina would wear a ball cap with her ponytail pulled through the hole in the back? I do…she wears jean shorts and tanks…she’s got class and swag when she needs it and laid back home girl when she’s relaxing….

    • Tracie says:

      I love that look J-Girl…I thought Laura said workout gear Lol…Long day…a guy tried to have an hour talk with me on buying rubber guns for training. I finally just had to cut him off and said send me the requisition for approval…I couldn’t stand it anymore…I was digging my nails into my palms….I would of called NASA and asked if I could name a planet after him, if that’s what he wanted just to get him out of my office LOL…

      • janet says:

        Thanks for my laugh of the day. That was so funny. Rubber guns!! Your job is never boring. I thought at first you said rubber bands!

  89. Laura says:

    Okay girls — yesterday you gave me evening wear for Lina — how about a few work outfits. She’s an interior designer so just nice casual I think

    • janet says:

      I thought I gave uou a couple last night. Katie approved but not the heels nor blue nail polish. I’ll go look at more outfits

      Tracie I love Rosie and Jason Statham. Remember I said can Jason be Phil and Kbabe said her husband shaves/ bics(new word for me). I love anything and everything Rosie wears. I too think Lina is this slim

      Kbabe. Big smooch for approving my Asian marge Simpson moment 6 yrs ago. It was a dark few months. I smelled of coconut oil for 3 months because I had to grease down the friZz. My sister said man you could be one of those korean mob wives.

  90. Ann says:

    Hi ladies.
    Tracie take care of yourself sister! Laura glad to here your knee is better. Liana I just reread posts from today and you make some good points about Phil. I think all of us want some closure.
    Katie Muriel’s Wedding is one of my favorite movies! I love Toni Colette.
    If Lina gets closure about the pictures, what explanation does Phil give her? Tracie I want to hear your theory.
    My daughter from Michigan is flying in tonight for a few days. This is a great week for us.

  91. Katie says:

    All of these exotic bloggers make me think of all of my favorite movies. Muriel’s Wedding! So funny!
    Liana, Australia is my number 1 place to go. I was set to study abroad there in college but some shit happened, and I couldn’t.
    My husband is a firefighter and we’ve talked about doing an “exchange” for a season there. We would never come back!

  92. tracie says:

    Okay, I actual have the turmeric pills…I’ll check amazon for the collagen…..

  93. Tracie says:

    I double posted one to Liana and asked you to delete the duplication but it’s gone now…sometimes you will post and it takes you back to your main page. Then after a couple of refreshes it shows up, then sometimes you just have to retype it in its entirety….

    Thanks guys…I’m trying to will myself better!!! I told my husband, that my ass was getting as big as my mouth! I’m so tired of being inactive….

    • janet says:

      Poor thing. What a pain. Let’s be careful. I have a bit of osteo. Try dr axe collagen and mix in coffee. It helps. Also tumeric pills. If I forget these two for a day I hear the squeaks in my bones.

  94. Laura says:

    Jordan said one of the most significant scenes to her in SN (at least in terms of unanswered questions in WPF) was when Phil and Lina discussed the pictures. She said that brought her closure on the affair. That happens in the first 20 percent of the novel.
    As far as how much Nick — he has a few scenes — more in the beginning as we wind down open issue from WPF

  95. Laura says:

    I just worked out for the first time in six weeks and the knee felt fine!!! So happy.

  96. Katie says:

    Phil is charming, for one. And, at that time, he was enjoying having sex with Kim and didn’t want to stop…so he probably just strategically didn’t stop flirtatious touches, comments, etc. Knowing Kim and Phil better now, I can’t imagine they joined running group together or arrived together, but it wouldn’t be a far stretch for an outsider to assume they were together, especially since he wore his wedding ring. It’s hard to imagine Phil ever having an affair, but he did, and it’s painful. Every time we talk about these things, I lose my appetite. Imagine Lina and how she felt as these details kept emerging. Ugh!
    Gotta focus on moving forward…

    • janet says:

      Yup! Agree.

    • Liana says:

      Katie, yes they say (what I read in books anywayd
      ) the forgiving is easier than the forgetting… and the scene Laura writes about Lina not able to look at Liam.. I could understand Lina’s conflict… she wants to move forward but there is a constant living reminder… it’s tougj.. but in a way Liam is also a constant reminder to Phil if he’s insanity and to not hurt Lina again.. ever..

      • Katie says:

        Oh my goodness. It would be so hard. Anyone who calls Lina weak is sadly mistaken, because dealing with that kind of pain is STRENGTH!

  97. Liana says:

    God… do we all have some kind of experience here with infidelity… my close friend’s husband of 25 years also left her for another “love” their kids are all grown up… they migrated to Australia as a family.. just got their PR and suddenly said hubby is in love with someone else he works with…

    I get it now why we all kind of love Phil.. sure he had a temporary insanity thing but he chose his family not the new thrill

    • janet says:

      I mean pda from Kim not Phil. She would have done it with handing him a bottle of water or squeezing his shoulders for encouragement or wiping his sweat off and giving him a side hug. I don’t mean full on tongue down Phil’s esophagus. Those little touches will give off signs that they are a couple. However those 2 pictures with Phil touching Kim and the texts(no matter that Kim mainipulated) was Phil and not a body double. You can forgive him but you can’t excuse how he acted those four months. He loved Lina but he did want Kim and “enjoyed” his time with her. If we didn’t love Phil we wouldn’t care as much. All this will be explained in SN and Lina forgave him so that’s it. We are all just dissecting the sections that were hard for all of us to read and harder for Laura to write.

  98. Tracie says:

    Liana Scroll up…could you assume they were a couple if he handed her his towel to wipe her face or gave her a bottle of water? He didn’t have to touch her for Emily to assume….There was a couple at work that were having an affair and we figured it out, because they signed in at the gym everyday within a few minutes of each other and walked the track together, but they never touched…you can assume and we were right, but there was no PDA….

    • Liana says:

      True Tracy.. I’m so excited to see how it is in SN!

      And btw good morning! Having breakky? Or off to do your daily activities?

  99. Tracie says:

    Emily didn’t say wife (she may have assumed)…she said “I had no idea.” I thought you and…..then she trailed off with the rest of her response….Then Lina said “Kim”….I think the group probably ran at a certain time and maybe Megan couldn’t always participate. Phil never got to explain…..them arriving together is also stretching it for me, but I may be to protective over my Phil too!!! Lol….Now they may have seen him follow her from the parking lot in separate cars and assumed they were having an affair or a couple…

    • Liana says:

      Tracy what your saying got me thinking… so if I were Emily and I was to have a conclusion that a man and woman is a couple it should not only because of words but also seeing a certain level of intimacy right? I mean they were having sex… surely the touches and famimiarity they give each other are different… so that was what I assumed… and thinking Kim was the wife maybe because Phil had his wedding ring on? I would think (if I was Emily) well he has a wedding ring and he is giving this woman touches or heated looks.. surely she is said wife..

  100. Liana says:

    Gosh what time is it where you ladies are at? It’s actually 3am here in Melbourne Australia… hahaha

    The thesis thing made me a temporary (I hope) night owl

  101. Ann says:

    Morning Ladies.
    Continuing on with Phil, it still irks me that he took her to Steamboat and the bar scene of them dancing. That show’s more than sex to me, and I hope we get some explanations in SN. I’m Team Phil, but I seem to go back and forth somewhat when I read other bloggers’ views on here.

    Laura, I know you’ve answered this before, but how much of Nick do we see in SN? He’s still a thorn in Phil’s side too!

    • Tracie says:

      Ann I believe he explains in the picture scene…but he had the affair yes, was it a slap in the face to Lina, yes! However, Lina sees more in her soulmate, than a man that betrayed her, she sees her life and her happiness…Remember in Chapter 48, when she is remembering the trauma and Phil’s supporting role in the most tragic time of her young life? He put his life on hold for her, to help her heal…he helped take care of her family and held Lina up when she was going under….How could she not sacrifice a little of her pride, when the man she loved, suddenly wasn’t perfect anymore??? I personally took a spoonful of sugar to help that bitter pill go down and I feel much better…Lol

  102. Tracie says:

    I need to add this…but I guarantee they didn’t show up holding hands and skipping…she may have given the impression to others that they were a couple with subtle touches or running beside him, and talking at his car with him after the run…but Phil would not have kissed her in the parking lot with all to see, etc, and I doubt they showed up together to run, if they did, to me that would be out of character for Phil, especially the group being in Baltimore….

    • janet says:

      I think he went and picked her up. I think this from what Emily said. Didn’t she think Kim was Phil’s wife? If they came in separate cars I don’t think she would assume that. Also what’s the point of running together if they weren’t going to fuck before or after since that was the point of Phil letting not Kim run with him and not Megan. I just have to think of it as checking out for four months.

      • Liana says:

        Janet… maybe (I hope) Kim was the one whispering to everyone that she’s Phil’s partner? instead of Phil being all touchy feely towards Kim (I hope)… I’m doing a lot of hoping here…

        • Tracie says:

          Ladies I can say with confidence, Phil would not have been touchy and affectionate with Kim in that running group..He may have handed her his towel to wipe her sweaty face or a bottle of water…but he would not have kissed her or leaned in for hugs and phone selfies…if he had, Lina would of got a 5th picture on her birthday….

          • Liana says:

            Good point! Maybe Kim sprang some PDA on him… but he didn’t shove her away? It doesn’t have to be a man in love to react kind of stunned and not rejecting being ambushed by a young attractive female…

          • Tracie says:

            Liana if she would of sprung it, he would of shut that shit down quick….

    • Liana says:

      Yep totally what I meant about getting these clarifications in SN about the “misunderstandings” in AWPF. I mean If I was Lina I would be imagining them holding hands etc etc.. after all the beating down of my confidence with the affair…

      I literally felt Lina’s heart broke when she saw how Nick’s girlfriend was confused of who is Lina to Phil… and then Lina had doubts on her physical appearance thinking men her age aren’t attracted to women her age, but will probably go for women Kim’s and said girlfriend’s age (something Lina also asked Nick if I’m not mistaken).

      This group is totally a repreive during the waiting period of SN.. can’t wait to read it Laura!

      @Janet, I did read all the snipets… that was my first priority after I was done with the thesis haha..

  103. Tracie says:

    Girls I may be way out in left field, but I don’t see Phil joining the running club with her (maybe wrong). I also don’t see him voicing out loud to a group of runners that they are a couple, etc…that would be way to close to home for Phil, my opinion only…he may have joined to up the level of his training and she invaded his space…who knows…but that would give him more access to her during the four months and he probably took advantage of the opportunity…..

    • janet says:

      Ok. I don’t think Liana meant voicing but letting the group think they are. Probably because he didn’t want to correct them when Kim was showing PDA. Laura tells us temporary insanity.

      • Laura says:

        Tracie is right. Kim invaded his space and he didn’t stop her.

      • Tracie says:

        J-Girl even open PDA with her in public (Maybe in NYC), would be a stretch for me, especially it being in Baltimore, where people could recognize him or know Lina somehow…you know the old saying small world….

  104. Tracie says:

    Sorry Liana….I said Linda in above post….

    • Liana says:

      No worries there… I knew you ment me ;).

      Laura, what really makes so excited about reading SN is actually finding out what is going on in Phil’s head… to do all the stupid things he did with Kim.. I mean he didn’t love her but he went all the trouble of joining running club not correcting other people’s assumption that Kim is his wife (for example)? in some aspect I don’t blame Kim if she thought she’s got him.. he sure made it seem like Kim is worth something for him…

      I kept searching for the psychological facts of why people cheat and would they leave their respective long term partners… it’s interesting what you can find :).

      Question: how do you actually get the scenes words feelings? I would have thought that you actually experienced it or someone you know has… in words of a researcher: you totally nailed the points of human research analysis.. hahaha

      • janet says:

        Hi Liana welcome back! Were you able to read all the snippets? Laura wrote more than a few since we last saw you.

        I didn’t know Phil and Kim joined the running group together. It I think you are right. Lina said Phil joined a new group few months ago. That means during Kim fiasco. Damn it phil.

        You take care. Good luck on your studies!!

      • Laura says:

        I think writing is similar to acting. You immerse yourself into the character and feel what they feel. I’m 53 so yes I’ve personally dealt with heartbreak, betrayal etc. has a partner ever got another woman pregnant? No. But it isn’t hard to put yourself in Lina’s position. I also dealt with divorce as a teenager and know first hand the impact of seeing the destruction of the family unit.

  105. Tracie says:

    Good Morning Girls, Congrats on finishing Linda that’s a major accomplishment no matter how mature…..Keep up the good work.

    Laura can I please have a short snippet from Chapter 47? Lina said she was surprised that Phil hadn’t reached out after their kiss on the Lacrosse Field…What were his thoughts when he walked away…Then when she texted him…I can see him setting in the Farside house missing Lina after that kiss and then BAM her text comes in…his text seemed eager about picking her up…then picking her up and Logan up…Lina leaning into him at the couples house, he could maybe notice other men looking at her too….Then the dinner scene, wow his thoughts on that…I’m just saying…….

    I thought about Noah and Kelly too….Since we are in the gut Wrench Trench we might as well finish….I also see Noah changing his strategy with Kelly’s son, and Kelly needing to step up without causing her son to resent Noah even more….Noah could also play the hand…you are going to be gone before long to college and you don’t want your mother to be alone, me and my son are in no way trying to replace you…..but her son needs to feel included…they can work on a car together or some manly scene to help them bond….He is fixing to turn 16….Take him to a Ravens Game……Lol

    • Laura says:

      Good morning! I’m not too fond of writing long passages of inner dialogue for characters, especially males but I’ll think about this

      As far as the other story – much more complicated story line than just a rebellious teenage boy

    • Laura says:

      Also it’s easier with Lina because she is going to discuss feelings with Adele or Diane. Phil isn’t going to call someone and tell them he knows Lina’s coming back to him.

      • Tracie says:

        I didn’t think about dialogue… I just think about HOT…. Another reason I couldn’t be an author…Lol…Whatever you pick to do I will enjoy it…I always do…

        Phil will tell Kim that is all that matters to me…

  106. Liana says:

    Hello ladies! My goodness I just finished catching up reading the posts. I have been missing in action finishing up my thesis (yes.. I am a mature graduate student LOL) so that I could indulge reading SN once it’s published!

    My emotions are all over the place reading everything in the discussions.

    Praying to the editing Gods to give your editors the speed of light!

    • Katie says:

      Love it. Not sure about Lina and the bold nails, shoes and jewelry, but everything else is perfect.

      • janet says:

        Yeah I’m jumping on your train but I love her. And that is more Kim shoes anyway. Maybe Kim ate extra spicy curry and tried to seduce Phil wearing those shoes but when she got into Phil’s car she stunk so much he kicked her out. Ok. Good job Kbabe. I hope Laura can use a few of the pics in the book.

  107. Tracie says:

    That dress was hot Kbabe, I could so see Lina wearing that dress….also that’s how I picture her being built as well… can you imagine if she walked down the stairs dressed in that gold dress and he couldn’t go with her…that earthquake in Alaska wouldn’t have nothing on Phil

  108. Katie says:

    This is what I imagine. This dress by St. John. Subtle chic, high slit. What we see versus what Phil sees. I think Phil likes suggestive sexy. He could still touch her sensitive areas under a fine dining table via the slit.

    • janet says:

      Gurrrrl. You got this. Who knew st John is this sexy! It could be runway Versace but you should put that on SN. Love the lingerie pick. How did Lina dress before you think? More simple and down to earth. And now because of her career and her field she can be little more suggestive than a lawyer perhaps. Let me find a picture of Kelly wearstler. Shes a interior designer.

  109. Tracie says:

    I like that dress J-Girl…If the dress was a bit longer it would be perfect…I wonder if Lina had a dress on when Phil was running his palms up the back of her thighs and when he got up there if she was wearing a thong..Phil would of loved that….

    • janet says:

      Yes. I read it as Lina wear a dress. I picked more risqué ones because I want Phil’s eyes to pop out and take her to the nearest hotel rather than the party. Lol. Black lace looks good on Lina!

      Also if you guys are ever in a mood for a historical, Lisa kleypas’ Midnight Angel has similar theme to Laura’s Noah story. Super good. She’s right up there with Laura. The guy loses his right hand trying save his wife in a fire. He’s an earl. He has a hook for his hand and falls in love with a 18 year old governess. Omg it’s so good you guys. I’ve been a fan of hers since my teens.

  110. deighj says:

    Laura don’t know if I can read the book with that scene in it. It hits too close to home. But I will give it a try, maybe just scim. If a book has your name on it I’ll read.
    Is this the family drama you mentioned? Which book will you publish next or is that a toss up?

  111. Ann says:

    Oh Laura that scene you just shared with us about Noah and Kelly was so heartbreaking and so good. Now you’ve got my interest spiked. Finish that one next. This story sounds damn good.
    You are truly a gifted author. I’m serious you are the best.
    Getting back to the Hunters is going to be bitter sweet for Phil. Growing pains for him with his Lina breaking free into a career and him with a baby. I think they will both grow and be stronger. Love me some Phil.

    • Tracie says:

      Me too Ann he is hot…I just hope there is enough of them both to go around…The have teenage kids and a toddler, so hard to switch gears between worlds…it’s like having two different families….

  112. Tracie says:

    What about Phil all by himself at the office Christmas Party…Kim shows up or had she already left? I would love to know how he feels at the party, on display without Lina, especially if Kim is there and pregnant…

    • Laura says:

      They weren’t involved during the office Christmas party — the affair started in February and Kim was at another law firm the following Christmas

  113. Laura says:

    Today I’ve been cheating on the Hunters…

    What do you think?

    Muse: “a person who causes someone else to have ideas about creating a work of art : a person who inspires an artist, writer, etc.” Webster

    In the early afternoon of December 23, 2017 as Kelly Donovan sat in her jeep cursing those responsible for the gridlock on GW parkway less than a half mile from her exit, she had no idea a quarter mile up the road in a heap of crumpled medal a pregnant mother and eighteen month old girl lay dying, a two-and-a-half-year-old boy barely clung to life, and the tragedies unfolding were bringing her closer to her muse.
    “Unbelievable!” She slapped her hands on the steering wheel, staring at the sea of brake lights before her. Of all the days to get stuck in traffic, why did it have to be this one? She was going to miss the meeting and she needed this job. She didn’t want it, but she needed it.
    “Openness, patience, receptivity, solitude is everything,” the words from Rainer Maria Wilke quoted by her yoga instructor that morning arose in her mind. The very words which sounded so inspirational and uplifting as she sat in the lotus position hours earlier now shot her current annoyance level up and notch.
    “Fuck!” She yanked on the steering wheel. Her eyes focused on the shoulder, the empty lane of pavement that could take her to the exit. It was only half a mile, less than a minute, but what if a cop came, what if—“Fuck it,” she said taking her foot off the brake. It was worth the risk.
    The first two hundred yards went smoothly, her speed teetering between twenty five and thirty miles an hour, and she was mentally congratulating herself for her guts and fortitude when she heard the distinct wailing of sirens. A glance in her rearview mirror confirmed a vehicle with flashing lights approaching, but not the police car she feared, but an ambulance.
    She pressed the gas pedal harder, deciding she needed to remove herself from his path as quickly as possible, but after another fifty yards, with the ambulance now just feet behind she ran out of available asphalt. The shoulder was now as gridlocked as the road beside it, filled with vehicles like Kelly’s, whose owners chose to ignore the clearly posted signs, “Shoulder for Emergency Vehicles Only,” and try to reach the next available exit. And then she saw it, up ahead another fifty yards, a dump truck on its side, another vehicle pinned beneath it.
    A desperate search around confirmed what she already knew. There was nowhere to go. With a guardrail on her left and vehicles on all other sides of her, she was completely boxed in. She and the line of vehicles in front of her were blocking an emergency vehicle from reaching people who were in dire need of assistance. She felt sick.

    Dr. Noah Shaw hummed along to the chords of Nirvana’s Come as You Are playing in his operating room, his hands deftly untwisting the intestines of a four-week old girl suffering from a malrotation. “A Christmas miracle,” he announced moments later, the intestines turning from black to pink before their eyes. Cheers erupted in the room, the others understanding the baby, near death seconds earlier, would not only survive, but would survive with her intestines intact. “Go tell the parents she’s going to be fine,” he said to one of the nurses. “I’ll come out to speak them after we’re done.”
    “Why aren’t we listening to holiday music?” One of the residences asked. “It’s two days until Christmas.”
    “Aren’t you Jewish, Goldstein?” another asked.
    “So? It doesn’t mean I don’t like Santa Clause.”
    “If someone has a Christmas CD, put it on,” Dr. Shaw said. “Goldstein, switch places with me – your about to remove an appendix.”
    “Oh, yeah! Crank up that Christmas music darlin,” he said to a nurse who was changing out the CD.
    “Nice choice people,” Dr. Shaw chuckled as Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer began playing from the stereo speakers.
    “Noah, I’ve got this,” another surgeon said from behind him. “You’re needed outside.”
    “What is it?”
    “I’ve got this,” the surgeon repeated. “Just go.”

    The solemn face of another colleague greeted him as soon as he stepped out of the operating room. “What do you have for me?” he asked as he began to remove his gloves.
    “There’s been an accident.”
    “An accident?” He tossed the gloves in the biohazard can and began to wash his hands. I’m not on call this weekend. I’m taking Beth to dinner and then to see the Nutcracker at the Kennedy Center. She’s been looking forward to it for weeks. If I try to –.”
    “Noah, Beth and the kids were in an accident.”
    “What?” He spun around, pulling his mask from his face. “Where are they?”
    “We’re prepping Nathan for surgery. We need your signature. There’s a grade five laceration to his liver – they have to stop the bleeding.”
    “I’m sorry, Noah.” The other man shook his head, tears in his eyes. “Beth and Charlotte didn’t survive.”

    • Tracie says:

      Outstanding…Lord I hope Kelly’s impulsive move didn’t stop the mother and daughter from being saved…Laura is this one of the five? This will be so good…

    • janet says:

      Holy moly! This is the second chance one you spoke about? The wife and kids died?!! I can’t. Shit shoot shit Noah is HOT listening to nirvana but man….

      • Tracie says:

        There will be some really hard feelings in this book…Wow…That gave me the shivers…so so good….

        • Laura says:

          Yes this is one of the five — I’ve already written over 60,000 words. It’s an emotional roller coaster. I was almost done with it and my computer crashed and I lost 75 pages — and I had no other backup. I was so sick I stopped writing for about 9 months. Then I wrote WPF

          • janet says:

            No way! 75 pages?? No way. You can’t replicate that either. Damn it. that subject matter is a hard one especially if the guy loved the wife. But if anyone can write it it’s you. I remember reading Linda Howard’s sarah’s Child. The guys wife and 2 sons die in a car wreck and he falls in love with the wife’s friend who has been in love with him forever. It was heart and gut and brain and muscle wrenching. Lord. I’m too old Laura go through that now.

          • Laura says:

            They meet two years later — the biggest issue becomes her spoiled 16-year-old son

          • Laura says:

            It’s hard to imagine having to rewrite some fairly gut-wrenching scenes — which is why I haven’t. I really love this book though. So I have to finish it (again)

          • Tracie says:

            Lord I hate the spoiled ones….That act horrible….But his son would only be 4 or 5…so how old are the characters…

          • Laura says:

            She’s 32
            He’s 42
            His son is 4
            Her son is 15 – she had him before she was out of high school (a whole sordid tale) but she raised him by herself and is very protective of him. He’s a difficult boy and clashes with the H

          • Tracie says:

            I’ve never read Sarah’s child…

          • Tracie says:

            Oh man, but with we believe in HEA’s maybe they can have a baby together and it can be a little girl…..Is he mean to the H’s little boy…

          • Laura says:

            No not at all. But he a partier and he uses bad language, watches inappropriate movies. He isn’t used to rules. She (kelly) was raised in a strict house and wants her son to be happy

          • Tracie says:

            That’s not gong to fly, but maybe he will start to appreciate Noah’s attention since he doesn’t have a father…Is he protective of his mother and jealous of her with another man

          • Laura says:

            Yes exactly and doesn’t want another man telling him what to do. Plus his mother lets him talk to her any way he wants. Doesn’t sit well with a man that’s in love with her

          • Tracie says:

            Sounds like to me Kelly is going to have to step up and take the reins and he’s going to have to like it, because he’s 15…..

  114. Laura says:

    I can’t give you girls anymore scenes from the SN — you’re becoming too clever at piecing things together. I’ll only give you knew scenes I write from WPF

  115. janet says:

    Lol. St. John makes form fitting dresses. I can see Lina in this gold lamé type even if it’s on sale.
    I think Kim wears Versace or those bandage wrap dreasss like Herve leger while in nyc for dinner. Bitch.
    Lina would wear Carolina Herrera for work. My moms going to her alum dinner on Sunday and she found a beautiful holiday white suit from there. Good for 30 plus. Just hits the knee on my short mom so on Lina it’ll be an inch above knee. I love white this season. I can see Lina wearing a white cashmere dress with red or gold 4 in heels too. That’ll bring her up to 5’10”. Her lips will meet Phil’s neck and jaw.

  116. Katie says:

    Hi girls, all is well with me. I do feel like I’m constantly being poked and prodded in the name of prevention, but I should be grateful. Laura, a snippet would really help my recovery today. ?

    • janet says:

      Ooh good one Kbabe. Poor you. You must be starving. For food as well as a snippet. Hint. I’m making chicken curry. Yummmo. But I feel weak from just sitting down for 8 hrs yesterday too. Lol. Hint hint. Poor Tracie. Nothing to do on her day off but wait for Laura’s snippet so she can imagine Phil and Lina in evening wear. I wonder who Lina will wear? Stella?

        • janet says:

          Omg. Isn’t she too young for that? That’s my moms go to for weddings. and she’s 75. Maybe they changed designers. Let me go look at St. John. I was thinking more like Tom Ford or even marchese becasues she’s so feminine. You guys wear Sanuk? Their chill collection is 40 percent off just for today. I got the puff and chill.

        • Tracie says:

          Girls whatever you put Lina in make sure it is hot….Also J and k pick her out a power suit…Like Chanel J…I wonder what Kim wears? I can solve one mystery it’s not a chastity belt…Lol…I cracked my own self up on that one….

      • Tracie says:

        How do you make chicken curry in a toaster oven and you will sweat that curry out of your pores…We had a girl at work she was into Indian food and she put curry powder on everything and lots of it…I finally had to tell she smelled like a nasty Urinal and she needed to switch to Mrs. Dash it was bad…

        • janet says:

          Yes it does come out of your pores. You are right. I make Japanese curry though but I burp up same curry stink. For this I busted out my cast iron pot that I reserve for Kim. You know it’s good for you. Lol. That and turmeric. I love tumeric potatoes and peas together.

          • Tracie says:

            I might eat a little, but I’m not eating so much that I smell like a piss field of wild onions…..not happening…

        • janet says:

          Well then I hope Kim ate lots and lots of curry. Phil is disgusted with that smell.

  117. janet says:

    Laura, any chance of a sneak peek into one of the office party scene? Omg that would get us going for the next 48 hrs I would think. Tracie alone could probably whip up 48 in an hour. Lol. Sorry to use you again Tracie but you are Laura’s favorite and if it works today I’ll use you again tomorrow. Hahaha

    Regarding Phil being insecure, I never thought so but maybe after what Nick tells Phil, it makes him think what if she does outgrow me now that she’s working for Damien/William? Is Damien attracted to Lina?

  118. Tracie says:

    Girls knowing how awesome Lina is at everything, don’t you think she will probably become a sought after interior designer? I wonder if her career takes off in SN?

    Can’t you see Lina coming through the kitchen door dressed to kill in a power suit and stiletto heels carrying a high dollar brief case…Phil and all the kids around the table….Maybe her assistant on the phone with her working through a major design dilemma and her holding up her finger to tell the crew, to hold one and her looking the Wonder Woman of all that is interior design….

    I’m also wondering how William and his brother found her???

  119. Tracie says:

    Janet WPF was 398 and it is 10,000 words more so that should put SN at about 435…..

    Laura do Adele or Alice watch Liam when Phil and Lina are in a bind for a babysitter? Even on Phil’s weekends there will be times when Lina and Phil have to be somewhere or Katie or Logan may have a school function that they have to go to, so what do they do? Did this come up in SN?

    • Laura says:

      Sure it comes up.

      • Tracie says:

        In WPF Lina noted how busy she usually was between Thanksgiving and Christmas and all the Holiday parties her and Phil had to attend, with his business associates, etc…If Liam is incorporated by Christmas…that will be some social engineering going on with the Hunter Calendar…then throw in Lina’s business parties….They will have to divide and conquer no choice….

        You and Jordan had 5 places to go to at Thanksgiving, and with all you friends…your party schedule should be kicking off before long…..I have two I have to attend…..we are pretty low key….

  120. janet says:

    Guys! I just got Price of Mason. It’s the sequel from Masons PoV(forbidden men series). Its 494 pages. Just saying Laura…. hint.

  121. Tracie says:

    You always pick white because you said it would be awesome with her coloring Lol….

  122. janet says:

    Ann, you are on your way to win! And yay yay you will put yourself in the book when the ravens scene pops up. So cool!

    Kbabe, what’s wrong Coz? Are you OK?

    Deighj, you are a sister everyone needs. I will trade you for mine. She’s always bossing me around and telling me what to do even though she’s the baby in our family. Lol. With trump at the helm something is always going on so you wouldn’t have known unless you opened up your news feed this am.

    Tracie, I cannot wait to see which color cheekstee Lina is wearing? Maybe it’ll be white to contrast Phil’s black. Lol.

    Laura is there a scene where Lina goes to Neiman Marcus with Adele and sees that pink tie the witch gave Phil? Probably not but who else would hassle you in the morning about Kim?

    Linda, hope you had a good weekend and post this week!

    Unlike Lina I do have some sale returns at neimans today so I will probably be thinking of Kim while I’m there. Have a great day everyone!

  123. Laura says:

    I’ll just say this — Phil is a man that likes to be in control. He has Lina back but things have changed. She’s working full-time and he now has a son he has to spend time with — growing pains.

  124. deighj says:

    Dang! How out of the loop can you get? I’m going to go catch up, sorry for the dumb ass questions.

  125. deighj says:

    Hi Ania, everything I viewed via the links puts my imagination to shame; Poland is much more beautiful. I don’t want to be just a visitor, I want to immerse myself in living in a small town for a year or so. I want to get to know the people, their outlook on life, the culture of small town Poland.

  126. Tracie says:

    No it’s the shutdown for the funeral of President Bush that died Friday…He will be in viewed on Wednesday and a lot of the DC offices want to attend so he is shutting down Washington, but he will extend it government wide out of respect for the Bush family…

  127. deighj says:

    Morning Trace, how long do you think this shut down will last? Is it b/c of the border wall funding? An unexpected day off is always welcomed, whatever the reason.
    Been out for a day enjoying family and season even though my mind kept straying back here wondering what you girls were up to.

  128. Tracie says:

    Laura is there a scene in SN where Phil describes what Lina looks like naked, in her underwear or clothed…Lina did that several times in WPF regarding Phil and I just wondered if he would return the favor in SN….I can see her getting ready in the morning leaning over the sink putting on her mascara and him standing in the door way watching her in a pair of black boy cut cheekies with matching bra and him thinking how hot she was and if she could be late for work….Being a runner she has good muscle tone in the thighs and ass….Just saying…

    • Laura says:

      Actually there is

      • Tracie says:

        That is so flippin hot…Ann will like that too….J-Girl and I were always tit for tat, where we wanted Phil noticing men looking at Lina and how hot she was…Just like she did with him Lol

        • Ann says:

          Oh holy crap I will love it. I want to see Phil so crazy in love with Lina, period. Then I want to see him put Kim in her place for good!

      • Katie says:

        So is Phil worried Lina will realize how much baggage he has and leave him? I find that hard to believe (Lina would never…). His jealousy is sure making him seem insecure.

        • Tracie says:

          Katie…Have you had your procedure?

          I think Nick saying she would outgrow him might weigh on his mind…The antics I’m sure Kim is going to pull would also add fuel to Phil’s worries that Lina could reach her limit…Like Laura said she’s out in the world and the kids had the 6 months of separation to get use to that and he hasn’t…

          Laura does it bother Phil that Lina thought she needed that independence because of the separation…I remember the scene where she took half the money out of the checking account…I bet he felt bad, knowing she would think she needed to do that to protect herself…

        • Laura says:

          Did I say that? If I did, I didn’t mean to. Phil is possessive — I would never call him insecure

          • Tracie says:

            Phil would never be insecure, but his marriage almost got destroyed once, him being protective and possessive over Lina, to me is keeping her close, secure and loving her like the world ends tomorrow.. Her being out in the world, with men like Nick easily falling for her and Kim circling like a buzzard to roadkill has the brother on high alert…

          • Katie says:

            Not even insecure about losing her after what happened with Nick?

          • Laura says:

            Did you think he was insecure in WPF?

  129. Ann says:

    I meant Nick Prossi

  130. Ann says:

    Oh Lordy Laura, I feel so honored. Thank you! Is it a happy scene at the Ravens game with the Hunters? Oh, I hope so. I miss the Hunters too. I’ve reread WPF several times now. I just love those characters so much. I think everyone on this blog feels the same way.
    Are you taking a little break now or have you started back with the Tony Prossi book?

    I’m happy our Ravens won yesterday too!
    Yes, it’s a really nice day here for a change. I walked this morning with my retired ladies of the neighborhood.

    Laura, if you have already answered this question, please excuse me, but any estimate on when SN will be released?

    • Laura says:

      I won’t start back on my Nick Prossi novel until SN is published. The editor can take anywhere from 3-6 weeks and then depending on what she says it’s done or I need to make revisions. Maybe another week — the act of turning it into an ebook is about three days. Given all that my estimate for when it will be ready would have to be between 3-6 weeks.

  131. Tracie says:

    I miss them too Laura…I hope the scene is with Logan…after Chapter 38 Phil took him to a Ravens game the following Saturday….Lol…….

    Is Nick’s you don’t deserve her scene still in play? When you give us a snippet or scene I wear myself out making up my own finale or beginning of each one, sometimes both…my imagination is killing me and leaving dark circles under my eyes…Lol

    What will be the ultimate is reading SN and seeing how far off our imagination actually took us, we may need aftercare therapy when we get through the Swim….

    • Ann says:

      Tracie, I know you are consumed with the Hunters and so am I. I just can’t get enough of Phil.

      • Tracie says:

        I am once I get to read the book I will feel so much better, but they will always be my favorites…WPF is still #1 in my Library and like you girls, I’m having trouble finding books to compare…..Now we know that Laura has 5 books setting out there with no endings all she has to do is throw a scene and give us a little background and we will be back in another ball game…Lol. But until I know the Hunter’s are happy and Phil has absorbed Lina I’m in a delay of game and can’t move on until we are through….
        Ann you are the only one that thought how Phil was setting was hot in that scene…it was smoking…I can see his arm on the arm rest of the couch and him holding the bottle by the neck….Sweet….

    • Laura says:

      Yes the Nick scene remains intact — it’s important. It isn’t going anywhere.
      LOL — yes, it’s interesting for me to read your theories too.

  132. Tracie says:

    Good Morning Girls….It’s a great morning, just found out President Trump is shutting the government down Wednesday so that is a day off I wasn’t expecting, but I’m glad to be getting.

    After our Team Phil scene I’m even more fired up about SN…can’t wait to see what this week holds for us…the editor has had it a week today….#TeamPhil…..

    • Laura says:

      Good morning ladies!
      Beautiful day here in the east. Lots of sunshine. I wrote a little scene for Ann yesterday that takes place at a Ravens game. I’ll just add it to SN when I get it back from the editor. I miss the Hunters.

  133. Tracie says:

    Laura I need one question answered it shouldn’t give anything away or at least I think it won’t…Lol….I’ve read the team Phil scene like 12 times but is the reason he asked how many men, because he was wallowing a little bit because he couldn’t be with her, wherever she was……

    • janet says:

      I wondered about this too. How it sounded like he was tired from taking care of Liam. And when Lina asked about Liam, Phil just watched her and asked that question without answering. He had football on but was thinking about Lina.

      • Tracie says:

        You know Salt we talked about his consequences before and how Lina would probably make Phil responsible for Liam’s care, etc…He would be the one to give up his free time now instead of her, like when she was raising their kids…

    • Laura says:

      Janet’s right. He was a little down

  134. janet says:

    Also LD Davis accidentally purpose and also LJ Shen defy are both really good. Defy is more of a novella but it’s an older woman teacher and her student story. Again both really good but I don’t recommend any other LD Davis books

  135. janet says:

    Thanks guys! Ok I’m back to Phil and Linas world.

    K, I read it while ago. She’s a good writer but it’s angsty. They both have different partners when they break up over something dumb. There’s an age gap so you may like it. I liked it more than the Moore series.

  136. Katie says:

    Has anyone read KA Linde’s Off the Record? It was on Ania’s list and looks a little bit like Sense of Belonging (?).

  137. Tracie says:

    That’s awesome J-Girl…tell him to quit being so humble that’s an incredible accomplishment…

  138. janet says:

    We just got to the restaurant. Sorry Kbabe. I’m exhausted and I didn’t do anything other than sit there. My baby placed second and will go to junior Olympics in January. Woohoo! He didn’t want me posting but I am proud of the sacrifices he made to get here. I’ll check back once I get home.

  139. Tracie says:

    It’s been quite today J-Girl…How did the tournament go?

  140. Katie says:

    I have to do this every few years. I’m drinking black coffee and having chicken broth for lunch; I’m pissy. I like to eat. Feel sorry for me.

    • Tracie says:

      I feel sorry for you Kbabe, I’ve had to have procedures like that and sometimes I had to drink some nasty tasting liquid that locked my jaws from the salty sweet taste…I told the doctor I just love the party favors you boys throw out for “procedures” what’s next thumb screws…..I have the feels for you angel….

    • janet says:

      Hey there. Just think of the 4 lbs you will lose! I haven’t eaten yet either. I’ll try to stick it out with you till dinner time. Anything happen today? I’m scrolling now.

  141. Ann says:

    Well, I’ll catch up with you ladies later today. We’re hosting a Ravens party today, lots of food (sorry Katie) and laughs. I hope these Ravens can pull out a win today.
    Enjoy your day ladies.

  142. Ann says:

    No she didn’t say who was with Megan. It must have been a good scene because Jordan cried. Can’t wait.

    • Katie says:

      Maybe Megan gets a boyfriend who cheats on her and then she gets a glimpse of how hurtful it is and then has a coming to Jesus moment with mom.

  143. Tracie says:

    I think it will be with Phil…I agree with Katie on the content. She’s so much like Phil, so Phil turning on Phil, so to speak should be a sight to see….

  144. Ann says:

    What’s everyone’s thoughts on the emotional scene with Meghan? Do you think at has to do with Phil, or Lina? I think Meghan was self-centered and took advantage of Lina. All she thought about was how her parent’s separation would affect her. Like she said I don’t want to have to go to two different houses on holidays. Maybe Phil lit into her a little for the way she treated Lina.

    Any thoughts?

    • Katie says:

      I really think the fog of her hero worship dissipates and she acknowdges how much her dad’s betrayal has hurt her mother and family. A redemption scene of sorts.

  145. Ann says:

    Good luck tomorrow Katie!!

  146. Katie says:

    Ok, no mention of food on here today, girls. I’m on a clear diet today in prep for a procedure tomorrow. Even Kimchi is going to start sounding good.

  147. Ann says:

    Hi Ania. Love hearing your thoughts on the Hunters, and Phil! I agree that most women probably would never be able to move past the affair and the new baby. Takes a special woman, like our Lina, to be able to forgive. I also loved Alice’s character. I just laughed out loud at some of her dialogue.
    The recommended books you have listed, well I have read half of them. I especially liked Julie Richman’s Needing Moore Series. That was an angst fest.
    Stay warm on the dark rainy day over in Poland. It’s rainy here in Maryland too.

    • Laura says:

      I think most women like to think they wouldn’t forgive their husband. Including the dog park woman I now know of four women this has happened to. Two stayed with their husband (one got full custody of the child, the other never incorporated the child into the existing family but saw the child) and the other two would have forgiven their husbands but their husbands left to be with the other women.

      • Tracie says:

        I read a book once where the husband didn’t incorporate the child, because the wife just couldn’t get over what her husband had done and the child resented her dad and his wife when she was an adult….I think you would have to incorporate the child for the marriage to work and the family to be happy….

  148. Tracie says:

    I tell you what girls, my 2 year old spent the night with me last night and he has been up 30 minutes and has asked me at least 20 times “ Wha ya doin Mimi.” He sounds like The Godfather’s grandson instead of mine…Lol Of course everytime he ask me I come up with something different and he says “you punny Mimi.” I squeeze him much…Hes so cute!

  149. Tracie says:

    Good morning Ania…and yes it’s a beautiful mornin….Lol…Poland sounds not only beautiful but mysterious with the castles and probably some white knights on big black horses…That sounds hot doesn’t it…Lol. Some people can’t forgive affairs and that’s fine, we each have our own moral compass …You are right in that life is way to short to be unhappy… Lina just couldn’t be happy without Phil…I would of thought her weak for taking him back, if I had felt his devastation in what he had done…People say I can’t get past how he just said I made a mistake, I love you and let’s move on…In all reality, what else could he say…he did it..he had no defense…..But he paid and will still be paying in SN for his betrayal he is just fortunate enough to have Lina by his side….I hope the rain stops and you have a little sunshine today Ania….Thanks for blogging with us. I love hearing your views and all about Poland it’s beautiful…

  150. Ania says:

    Hello Lovely Ladies and thank you for your kind words.

    It is Sunday morning 6 °C (42,8°F). It is dark and rainy outside – I am at the computer drinking my fovourite coffee (with coconut oil + cardamom powder + cloves powder – Yes I am unique 🙂 and life is wonderful 🙂

    Hi Tracie!
    Right now I signing for you ‘Oh, What A Beautiful Mornin’

    Here is a list of books on the Countdown to SN 🙂
    – L D Davis – Accidentally on Purpose (Accidentally on Purpose, #1)
    – Julie A Richman – Needing Moore Series Boxed Set
    -Whitney G – Turbulence
    -Whitney G – Reasonable Doubt
    – Alessandra Torre – Blindfolded innocence
    -A L Zaun – It’s Not Over (The Do Over, #2)
    – KA Linde – Off the Record (Record, #1)
    -Stylo Fantome -My Time in the Affair
    -Stylo Fantome – Neighbors (Twin Estates #1)
    -L J Shen – Defy (Sinners of Saint)
    -Mhairi McFarkane – You Had Me At Hello
    – D W Cee – Unlikely Attraction – Delaney’s Story

    Hi Laura!
    It is amazing we can interact with you and this blog has such a good vibe.
    ”The question for each of us is — can you ever forgive an affair”
    I dont know but at the moment my answer is No, this is completely unacceptable. Honesty is very important to me and it’s one of the most important aspects of a relationship in general. Because we are together, you are my best friend, the biggest supporter, nothing make you happier that seeing my smile so why on earth have you done this ? That’s my view. However, everyone has their own story and I would understand if somebody wants to forgive infidelity.
    I asked my husband about this topic: His words: ” Are 5 minutes of amazing time worth good life with your partner ? Because afterwards it won’t be the same. But if you stuck in the miserable relationship you should end this because life is not a punishment – we were born to be happy.”

    Also, on a different note -I just thought I’d share that with you – In A White Picket Fence I liked Alice’s thoughts, which made me pause and contemplate on life.

    To Jordan the very first biggest fan!
    I like your relationship with your mom.

    Hi Janet!
    – I love kimchi – is easy to make, is yummy and super healthy like all fermented vegetables. Although, I know the salty, stinky and sour taste is hard to be embraced by others:)

    Hi Linda! Como Estas ?
    Your English is perfect !

    Hi Katie!
    You so nice 🙂
    I’m the same after YEARS of schooling I only remember few sentences and counting to ten in German & how to read Russian Cyrillic alphabet.

    Hi Deighj!
    Thank you, that’s so nice to hear! It is a land of magic and legends with about 2800 castles scattered all over Poland.
    Like Malbork Castle, it’s one of the world’s largest brick castle in the world measured by land area. The construction began in 1275.
    Then, have you heard about Wieliczka Salt Mine ? -The world’s biggest church built underground made entirely out of rock salt and is located at the depth of 101 meters. Officially opened in the 13th century.
    And most cities have medieval market squares, which usually filled with cafes, shops and restaurants etc.

    If you fancy I have attached three links for you to check out.




    Deighj you have no choice you have to visit Poland xx

    Love from Ania!

    • Laura says:

      Ania — what a wonderful message to wake up too. I had no idea about Wieliczka — amazing! Poland sounds so beautiful — I have to go! I’ve been to Ukraine — I wish I had stopped in Poland.
      Your husband sounds like a smart man!

    • janet says:

      Hi Ania! I too want to visit your country. I did a study abroad program in college 30 years ago and was able to visit Czech Republic and Croatia but the city I wanted to visit (Krowkow)in your country was 8 hrs away from Prague…. It will definitely be on my list now and I will ask for your advice when the time comes. I will look at your YouTube suggestions now.
      Are you in your 30s like our Kate here? Also thank you for the book recommendation. There are two books on your list I’ve never heard of so I will check those out.
      Which chapters of WPF were your favorites? Have you read Laura’s other books? Who is your favorite hero?

      I am impressed that you can make kimchi and embarrassed that I haven’t tried. My mother in law uses Japanese pears for acidity and to cut the garlic stink a bit. Maybe Linda will ask for the recipe! Lol. have a great day. Loved what your husband said about we were born to be happy.

      Have a happy day ladies! Off to another competition.

    • Katie says:

      Poland is gorgeous! Definitely on my bucket list…
      I love what your husband said about infidelity, and I love your comment about life not being a punishment. I guess the moral of the story is- not all relationships last, but there’s a respectful way to exit one. Respect and honesty, that’s all anyone wants.

      Talk of Poland reminds me of one of my favorite movies of all time- Polish Wedding, with Claire Danes.

      Much love right back at you, Ania!
      And thank you for the book list!

  151. Ann says:

    I like how Phil is all manly sitting there drinking a beer watching football and then his eyes roam all over Lina!!
    Give us more of Lina and Phil, please!

    • Tracie says:

      Ann you are like me the build up is as hot as the actual sex…I can just imagine him setting there like that…Yum….

      Girls do you think that Phil may feel disconnected a little in SN…Like Adele and William wanting Lina to join them after work and normally Phil would join meet Lina as well, but can’t bexause he has to go pickup Liam …Lina goes because it’s work related, so that leaves her at the restaurant or bar without an escort…I bet it eats him up…he has to sit there and wait….

  152. Tracie says:

    Did everyone notice in the hot snippet Laura shared today that Phil didn’t even let Lina know how long Liam had been a sleep he just wanted to make sure no one trespassed with his woman…Liam was the furthest thing from his mind….Phil is Phil

  153. Ann says:

    Night Deighj.
    Tracie/Janet, I just read Admissions of Guilt. I think you two recommended it. I know katie didn’t like it but I didn’t think it was too bad. Of course it can’t compare to WPF. It did go through the heartache of the husband who had an affair (sex only) got the secretary pregnant, realized he made a huge mistake. The husband winds up with custody of the baby and him and the wife try to move on together.

    Laura that story you shared about the woman from the dog park was heartbreaking. I can’t imagine what she went through. People can be so cruel. It seems like in this day and age couples don’t want to try and work through the problems that come up in marriages, they get bored and want someone younger, more exciting. It’s sad.

    • janet says:

      I didn’t mind it either Ann. The writing was choppy and K was looking or rationalizing the cheater but there wasn’t one in this case. It was just pure lust. I didnt like him because he only breaks up with OW when she tells him she’s pregnant and he got scared. I also hated him saying he never had sex that good before. So then what? He loves his wife with ok sex and he doesn’t like the secretary but has mind blowing sex with her?

      • Katie says:

        I just didn’t like the writing. And you’re probably right, I want to be able to rationalize the cheating. Lust isn’t a good reason.

  154. Katie says:

    Replying to Janet first-
    I’m not talking about the swinging thing. I’m more thinking about the park lady today. Shame on that OW, and she has kids! So let’s say two people have an affair and believe it’s true love…a person can still end the marriage in a respectful way to his partner of several DECADES who raised his children. At least explain and give some closure.

    As far couple swapping. It’s not something I could ever do, but I respect people’s choices, and more power to them if it works for them. But this book series (The Ground Rules) is headed in the direction I would expect. I find it unrealistic to think all 4 people could stay detached emotionally. Maybe I’ll be surprised. So far it hasn’t turned my stomach, but I assume it’ll end with some heartache.

    • janet says:

      Yes. Who knows why they do what they do? Logically Deighj makes sense. Have a discussion before and either end the marriage or work it out. But it never ever works out like that. With Phil he was mad and it happened in the heat of the moment. And once he slept with Kim, Tracie said it became easier because he got away with it. He never thought things through. For this OW at the park. She must be another Kim or a selfish person who put herself first. She wanted the guy and didn’t want to or couldn’t put herself in the wife’s shoes.

  155. deighj says:

    Ann you checked in just as I’m gonna say good night.
    Trace and J thanks for setting me straight. I want to read a while before turning in. Sweet dreams whatever time ya’ll call it a night.

  156. janet says:

    So while back one of us asked Laura when Phil noticed Kim. Oh I think it was me who asked if Kim came onto Phil at the office Xmas. Laura told us Phil doesn’t notice Kim until he notices Kim which meant in nyc bar the first time. So the first nyc trip Kim accompanied Phil with other associates since this was a big case. After their nights spent together there Phil personally requested Kim for the trips. Gawd. Makes me ill talking about it now. I want to hurt him.

  157. deighj says:

    J, I missed where Laura explained about Kim and the initial NYC trip. What went down on that trip that made Phil request her continued ‘expertise’ just her being familiar with the case? You know Kim wouldn’t let an opportunity like that slip by without making Phil aware of her interest.
    Trace, thanks ever so much for dating the affair for me. Phil had to be super aware of Kim’s nefarious intentions by then.

  158. Ann says:

    Laura that snippet you just posted, what section of SN does that show up? When Phil says how many men came onto you, is that after the New York weekend?

    Hi ladies! Love you all!

    • Tracie says:

      He’s not mad, but he’s stuck at home with Liam and can’t go with her…So I wonder if he has been setting there stewing about who’s looking at her or touching her. I love that he is so territorial…Since Nick got close enough to bite, I bet he is hyper aware of anyone near her…

  159. deighj says:

    J, I don’t want to go back either. I am so dang grateful Phil is going to explain that Sunday night desertion to us. We need it as badly as Lina.

    K, I don’t understand cheating at all, compartmentalized or not. If such a thought enters your mind repeatedly you need to have a sit down with your partner. Discuss your relationship and why you’re feeling the need to f*ck someone other than your partner. If still focusing on that cheating then separate. But at least be up front and honest. Don’t blindside your partner.

  160. Tracie says:

    The affair dates were Feb-May Deighj….

  161. deighj says:

    Whoopee!!! Thanks Laura. Saw your post after my last.

    • janet says:

      Deighj. I like you calling sugar Trace! Kim started the job in November but Phil never knew she was chasing him till February when the affair started in nyc. Remember, Laura told us the first time Kim went to nyc wasn’t due to Phil requesting her personally. It’s when Phil singled Kim out for following trips to nyc that Wayne noticed and warned him but he didn’t heed it. So that’s another thing. Why put that kind of relationship in jeopardy? Wayne is
      Phil’s mentor and best friend. How can a girl who means nothing to Phil come between a strong friendship?

      • Tracie says:

        Because Phil doesn’t need another mans permission to do anything he’s an Alpha and Wayne could show his disapproval, but Phil was on his on course of destruction and there was no slowing him down…

  162. deighj says:

    Trace, he didn’t know about Nick at that time. He was turning away from Lina as well. That was a disconnect felt by both of them. The disconnect started what, a year ago? If so Lina’s connection with Nick was well established by the time of Phil’s affair.
    The affair started in February, ended in June? In chapter three Phil stated it had been close to a year since Katie had gone out socially. I’m reading random chapters of WPF so need to find if there’s a stated date for when Phil started the New York trial. Kim was all out chasing Phil from the start so he was well aware of her attention. Playing devil’s advocate and I’m still so riled up about Laura’s story from the dog park some of that might be coming through.

  163. Katie says:

    Girls, what I have a hard time understanding, more than cheating men, is the women they cheat with. Especially a mother. It goes against all maternal instinct to destroy a family that way. And women aren’t like men, we can’t compartmentalize the same way (gross generalization, of course).

    • janet says:

      Maybe for true love? And I agree women and men are different but people are people and we all do crazy stuff. Are you talking about the swinger thing? I don’t think I can read a love triangle. That’s one theme I won’t pick up willingly.

    • Tracie says:

      Men in high powered positions they usually want the status and they just don’t care who they hurt to get what they want…..that’s what makes them ugly on the inside…

  164. deighj says:

    MORE, Laura more…like the whole of SN.

  165. Tracie says:

    Smoking hotttt….damn how many men came on to you…I hope she said not to many…Yum A.

    • janet says:

      I hope he had anxiety waiting up for her and hope no less than 6 men came on to her burn of course Lina doesn’t really know because she didn’t notice any of them. Laura, nick and Lina are still friends? They shouldn’t be because it’s not fair to Phil but too too bad.

      • Tracie says:

        J-Girl, remember how Laura said it was like their roles had reversed and Phil was having to grow…Can you imagine him setting there wondering, who is there, who’s looking at her, trying to touch her..men that cheat sometimes become suspicious of their wives because they are afraid they will do like Adele suggest revenge sex……..it’s their own guilt…

  166. deighj says:

    Hey Laura, my son is in his late twenties and is a CTO with a start up company so travels a lot. When he comes home I feel like Cinderella. As for the lady and her cheating husband that had my scorched earth tendencies coming out. I cursed that son of a bitch out and had to stop and laugh cause I was making up words that made no sense. And just after you and Trace got me turned around.
    I’m reading WPF again and I do see things a bit differently. Before it was all on Phil, Lina was the innocent. To me an emotional affair is worse than a physical one. Even though I think the reason for that emotional connection was the disconnect with Phil. I cannot imagine being as weak as Lina but then I haven’t gone through the trauma Lina experienced. The one thing, even now, I can’t get over is Phil leaving Lina on Sunday nights to be with Kim. He knew she couldn’t sleep without him. After all he spent the nights in New York with Kim so why put Lina through that if he loved her as much as he stated. HELP me Sugar, cold wind blowing here.

    Linda, thanks for the author name. I read this book ages ago as well as Admissions of Guilt. It’s been so long since I read both of them that I downloaded them again.

    • Tracie says:

      Deighj he was wrong leaving her…he admits that’s…there is no justification, except for the fact she was emotionally turning to Nick for her support and away from Phil…

      • Tracie says:

        Remember in Chapter 1 Deighj when Lina said she had missed Phil and he said did you? Lina saw the doubt in Phil’s eyes…he pretty much though she didn’t want or need him….

        • Laura says:

          He does explain why in SN

          • janet says:

            Will we like the explaination? This was a hard limit for me too. The Sunday nights before the trips. If he’s going to be with her the whole week, why couldn’t he spend the night with Lina even if they are just sleeping. why did he need to leave at 8 for? If Lina was going on about Drayton he could just say hush I need my sleep. God do not let me go there again. I forget for a week then I think of the details. Groundhog. Deighj!

  167. Laura says:

    Here is a nice one for team Phil…

    The sound of the television greeted Lina when she came into the kitchen. She found Phil in the family room, leaned back on the couch with his knees spread wide and a beer in his hand watching a college football game. He shifted his gaze away from the television when she came around the couch, his eyes roaming over her.
    “Come here,” he said deeply. He set his beer on the end table before holding his hand out to her.
    “How long has he been asleep?” She let him pull her between his legs, clasping his shoulders when he pressed his face into her stomach. She kissed the top of his head, stroking her hands down his back. “I’m sorry I missed him. I didn’t realize how late it was.” She breathed in when she felt his warm palms sliding up the back of her thighs.
    “How many men came on to you?”

    • Tracie says:

      She could also say well I had two drinks sent to the table….wow…my Phil would die….she was dressed hot wasn’t she? There he is setting at home waiting on her to come home..love that fact she wished she would of got to see Liam…I hope my Phil knows how awesome she is…ugh…

  168. Tracie says:

    Laura has the car scene be cut from SN or is it still in play? I don’t even know the content of the scene but I think it will be hot, especially if Phil has a hold of Lina in some way or Lina has her hand on Phil’s thigh as a sign of possession…Cam she reach his thigh in the M6?

  169. Tracie says:

    Plus he has to raise her other two kids…I hope the wife finds a nice man to enjoy his money with, while he is all bogged down with kids and working to fund their excursions…..

  170. Laura says:

    Lots of alimony. He told the kids she’s the reason he can never retire LOL. He has a place at the beach and a huge house. He isn’t hurting. The OW is an attorney.

  171. Tracie says:

    How’s old is the woman? I got news for miss young thing…what goes around comes around….She’ll wake up one day and he may be telling her to not touch him again…

    • Laura says:

      The woman that was left was 53 — the other woman was 31 and apparently beautiful. She said her beauty didn’t bother her because she knew how rotten she was on the inside

      • Katie says:

        Was OW married?

        Dang, what happened in those two weeks to make him so cold?

        • Laura says:

          OW was separated. I’m not sure where his anger came from. Not getting closure would kill me

          • janet says:

            How do you reconcile with never touch me again after 22 yrs or marriage. Did the lady ever remarry?

          • Tracie says:

            I wonder if he ever ask his kids how their mother is doing…I guarantee the OW doesn’t allow him to talk to his ex or give her the closure she needs…He is a vagina….

          • Laura says:

            she doesn’t really date. She’d like to but just hasn’t met anyone. She’s really a nice person and very out going. She’ll probably meet someone

          • janet says:

            Yeah little shit eating vagina.

            I just called drum teacher Phil instead of Pete.

          • Tracie says:

            If she never worked he is probably paying her alimony….when the younger siblings graduate he’ll be in his 70’s….I wonder how they will do their grandchildren’s BD…They have 4 kids together they will have a few grand babies….

  172. Laura says:

    I was talking to a woman at the dog park and we were discussing my book and she told me her husband had an affair (they had four children at the time — two in college and two in high school). They’s been together twenty-six years. They were Catholic. He sat the family down and told them all at the same time that he was leaving. She said she followed him back to the bedroom and touched his arm and said ‘what are you doing’ and he yanked his arm out of her reach and said ‘never touch me again’. He left. Showed up to church that Sunday with his mistress and her two and four year old. He’s a VP in a national company and this woman worked for him. A number of people in my neighborhood talked to the priest and tried to get him to ban him from coming to church but the priest didn’t want to be involved so they left the church.
    Fast forward three months — this woman goes to her son’s football game and her husband shows up with his girlfriend who now has a baby bump — twenty-two years younger than him btw. Anyway she told me her ex told her kids to get over it and accept what happened.
    She said they all did. It’s been six years. She had never worked — anyway it has a happy ending. This woman is happy now — still hates losing her children to her ex and his wife (they now have two babies)
    I feel sick just writing this.

    • Laura says:

      saddest part is that she never got closure. He blocked her from her phone and has only spoken to her through lawyers. She said they were having sex up until two weeks before he left. Now that’s a pig!

      • Katie says:

        Disgusting excuse for a human

      • Laura says:

        Interesting part of the discussion was that she said she was really mad at Lina at first for taking Phil back but then after really thinking about it she said she would have taken hers back. She said it was until he wasn’t married and had gotten his new wife pregnant for the second time that she lost hope and began to heal.
        She said if she had been asked before he had an affair if she could ever forgive one she would have said no.

        • Tracie says:

          You can’t say what you would do until you are put in that situation…Do her kids still see her? He probably cut off all communication because he’s a coward and can’t face her…I probably would of made an office visit…

    • Tracie says:

      Now that’s a bastard…Makes me sick for her……

    • janet says:

      Wow wow wow. Why so hostile when he made the mistake? He loves the mistress and had already checked out with the wife. I believe it. It’s much harder to stay together and work it out. Usually the person who is financially dependent wants to make it work. My mom told me always work so you aren’t dependent on the husband and always have a separate bank account. What a story and what a day.

      • Laura says:

        I always tell young women to work at least part time. You never what life will bring.

        • Tracie says:

          Amen to that…my mama also said to never work and put a damn man through school either..they will start thinking they have outgrown you…. I just thought about something my mom could of been a female Nick Drayton that’s what he told Phil about Lina…She will outgrow you…Lol

  173. Laura says:

    The Ground Rules — Roya Carmen — that’s the book Katie’s talking about. The couples swap so… Great writer though and you have to read all three book.

  174. Tracie says:

    Also one other thing, Lina always refers to Logan as sensiative…She said the same thing about Liam in the scene Laura shared with us where he wouldn’t go to sleep. I wander if Phil thinks…are my sons really sensitive or does my wife make them that way…

    • Laura says:

      he thinks… my wife is making them that way haha

    • janet says:

      I don’t know if Phil has the ability to put himself in other people’s shoes. I think he lives by the slogan Just Do It and be done with it. Of course he loves Logan but but doesn’t understand teenage angst. I mean he saw Lina, conquered her with one look and pretty much has gotten everything he set his mind on in life. He doesn’t blame Lina but probably is puzzled by Logan’s sensitivity. Maybe mike is more sensitive than Phil.

  175. Tracie says:

    Hi girls, J-Girl did you notice the comment on Megan…It was a scene with her in it, that made Jordan cry…Do you think maybe something happened where Megan found out about the running club?

    • janet says:

      No. Let me scroll up.

    • Laura says:

      I don’t think so

      • Tracie says:

        Okay Laura Girl, now we have to wonder why Megan is all fired up and emotional….It has to be with her dad..ugh…I need that book….

    • janet says:

      I missed the whole thread! I didn’t see Linda and Laura’s back and forth till now. Thank you. I wonder! It’s definetely Phil and Megan if Megan’s crying? It has something to do with her because she’s so self involved. But is the running group that big of a betrayal to Megan? Wah wah wah dad, you chose to run with her instead of your own flesh and blood? Maybe it’s on top of that where she finds something out that involves her. Maybe Phil prefers Liam over Meagan. That’ll make her sob her heart out. Megan didn’t bother me too much in WPF. We weren’t exposed to her as much as Katie but i just saw her as Phil’s clone.

      • Tracie says:

        Phil is going to have to be careful with Liam and putting him above his other children or they will resent Liam and Phil…but I don’t think that is the way this going to roll…Lina will push for a healthy balance with integrating Liam…Phil would be Love all you kids, here is your brother deal …Lol…as Laura’s says ..Phil is Phil

    • Katie says:

      I bet Megan finally realizes how much her perfect father’s mistake has hurt her mom and brother.

      • Tracie says:

        I hope that’s right….I like the kid scenes in WPF. Megan did have good things to say in those scenes….I just think all the kids will have to find peace with Phil for Liam to be fully accepted and their family healed…

  176. deighj says:

    Hey J, I love persimmons. I have a large tree in my back garden in Florida. The lower branches almost touch the ground and my dog eats every one she can reach. I did check out the link you provided, I didn’t realize you can freeze persimmons. Gotta pass that tidbit on to my sister since she’s the one that cares for them.
    You’re reading ‘Mistakes’ who is the author? Tried looking up with just the name and 304 pages came up.

    • Linda says:

      Hi Deighj! Mistakes author is Amanda Wilhelm

      • janet says:

        Yes sorry. We talk about the same book list over and over so it’s not anything you all haven’t read. I have 3 books I’m reading at the same time. One other one is night circus by erin morgenstern. So far really good but more because of writing. also, Sara ney is good but not cheating theme. She writes about jocks

  177. deighj says:

    Good morning all. My son is back in town and it’s always a whirlwind when that happens. He travels a lot so time spent with him is precious.

    Jordan, I enjoyed reading your comments, you sound as lovely as I pictured. Tracie is always trying for tidbits from your mom. Perhaps she will have more success with you though I doubt that. I’ve never anticipated a book more than Swimming NAKED. your mom is truly a gifted writer.

    Sugar, you and Phil don’t really need a coat to keep out the cold. You’re fierce enough it’s not needed. Remember you turned my butt around.

    • Tracie says:

      Deighj I’m telling you babe, me and Phil got a little bit of the chilly Willies last night….Somebody hollered all board and everyone was jumping on the Phil’s a Bastard Train…Lol….Hope you have a great visit with your son doll….

    • Laura says:

      Nice Deighj! Enjoy your son. How old is he?

  178. janet says:


    I hope this posts. I’ve used his recipe before. Also for thanksgiving my cousin made kale with sliced firm persimmon salad. It was yummy.

    • Katie says:

      Thank you. I knew you old fogies could help.

      What errand had you jetsetting to SF?

      • janet says:

        My husband was in zurich this week and was headed back to Seoul. He needed his meds but was in SF for the day(work) and didn’t have time to stop by. It was basically for that. He’s 53 but still pretty much works 18 hr days and doesn’t mind flying. Said it’s the only time when people leave him alone. Go figure.

      • janet says:

        Lol you know I remember watching Happy Days and they used the word fogie. Never thought it would one day apply to me. I still go to Chris rock concerts but now I start yawning at 9. Waaah

        • Katie says:

          Lol. I don’t go to Chris Rock concerts, and I’m usually asleep on the couch by 10. Age is just a number.

          Your hubby travels a lot?

          • janet says:

            A lot. What are you making the bread for? Not to waste persimmon? Oh meant to tell you my nieces are into poopsie unicorn? It’s a lol doll? Is hailey into this?

          • Katie says:

            I get produce boxes from a local farm here, and sometimes they have items I’m not familiar with (that’s the fun). This week it’s persimmons.
            We haven’t seen the poopsie unicorn! She’s still on a mission to have every LOL doll there is- I think there are a few hundred. ?
            Laura got me hooked on a book series about couple swapping. It’s good!

          • janet says:

            It’s odd to me persimmons are not as popular in the western culture. It’s such a highly coveted fruit in Asia. So another way to eat them is dry. If you have firm ones peel the skin and Put it outside so the fruit dries up over time with cheesecloth over it. The fruit will soften and skin will darken in color to black and white sugar powder will form on the outside. So it’s badically dehydrated fruit but lord my dad gets them shipped from Korea and Japan every year. Well that and mushrooms. Try that if you think uoj can handle dried squeesh fruit.
            Reading mistakes. The husband cheats and tells wife I never bought her lunch and I never bought her jewelry. We just had a lot of sex! What wife swapping are you reading?

          • Katie says:

            Roya Carmen. I just got to the good stuff, and I’ll busy til tonight.
            Those dried persimmons sound awesome. I might try that.

  179. Tracie says:

    My husband says make a pie out of them just like you would with any raw fruit, skin them and add a little extra sugar to the filling…his frannybuae to make persimmon pie

  180. janet says:

    Hi Jordan!! You are lovely! I hope when my daughter is your age she feels the way you do about your mom. I laughed out loud about the Sunday SAT practice test. You mean that wasn’t the norm at your house?

    Aren’t we a bunch of old fogies(except for Katie) stalking your mom here? Since you approve we will keep at it! She is truly gifted in what she does and I know you are as well. Take care and I can’t wait to read about you in her future book. I’m sure you will be engaged to Joseph by then!

  181. Tracie says:

    No persimmon recipe but if you need some Pear sauce for Alligator I’m your girl….Lol

  182. Katie says:

    Random question- any recipes (easy) that you have for persimmons?

  183. Tracie says:

    Laura is there any scenes in SN with just the three Hunter kids? I wondered if they would have a pow wow about Liam at some point….I enjoyed the ones in SN…Megan was even likable in those! If something bad happens to Megan in SN I’m going to feel bad talking like that….

  184. Ann says:

    Aww Jordan you are a great daughter! I have 2 daughters myself and omg they are the best thing that ever happened to me. They are my best friends. Your mom is a true gift.
    I read When I Saw You first and fell in love with Joseph’s character. I also agree with you on Phil.

  185. Katie says:

    Recommend some books here. No cheating. I haven’t found anything good in awhile.

  186. Tracie says:

    HEY could someone throw me and Phil a coat…it is starting to feel cold out here…LOL

    • Laura says:

      LOL — I’m here! Logan is in love. He’s fine!

      • Tracie says:

        I’m glad I was fearing me and my Phil was on our own LOL…Logan’s too young to be in love Lol…but then it could be his great love like Lina and Phil….

        • Laura says:

          You sound like Lina, Tracie…

          “You need to talk to him and tell him he doesn’t love her,” Lina told Phil later that evening. “He’s going to get hurt.”
          “He’s fifteen-years old. If he gets hurt, he gets hurt. He’ll survive.” Phil reached around her and turned out her bedside lamp.
          “He isn’t tough like you. He’s sensitive and introspective.”

          • Tracie says:

            She is right Phil….he is in lust…talk to him…he turned out her light because it’s fixing to get steamy…Right?

    • Jordan says:

      Haha yes Logan is okay- just a classic 15 year old boy albeit more sensitive than most. I have a lot of compassion for Logan cause 15 is a hard enough time without your dad fathering a second son with another woman

  187. Linda says:

    Hi Jordan! Double thanks for your post ? Me/Janet/Deb need you!!! I have similar conflict towards Phil, I also get it he and Lina fit. Sometimes I’am devils advocates but always appreciate your mom writing and time for us. Super exciting for SN.

  188. Tracie says:

    What an awesome girl…good job mom….You may want to print that and have it framed and matted…Lol

  189. Tracie says:

    Hey Jordan…How do you think Logan faired in SN? Your reply probably won’t make it through, but if I did give a good old school try at least twice a week, your mom might think I’m sick or something…?

  190. Tracie says:

    Jordan you are a doll honey…What a great tribute to your mom….She has been a blessing to us as well and we can’t wait to read more from her. Five books half done….well that is an agenda item we will all have to discuss…Glad you made it through to post doll, we have our fingers crossed for you on getting into the program you interviewed for….

  191. Jordan says:

    Helloooo Ladies of the blog. I’m Laura’s daughter, Jordan. I still consider myself her biggest fan, but based on the things I’ve read on here, you guys are very close seconds 😉 I’m not going to be posting much, mainly because I think my mom will continually block me from sharing the truth about her (jk) but I will give a few of my views:

    Laura as a mom- suuuper super type A. Yes, she made me do five math problems for every one I did wrong, which one time led to me doing about 40 problems total. She also woke me up on a random Sunday when I was in hs to make me do a full practice SAT out of the blue.. still one of my worst days.
    Laura as a person: definitely my best friend and confidante and always gives her honest opinion (sometimes to my chagrin) but very loyal and selfless in all ways.
    The novels ranked: 1. When I Saw You 2. A Sense of Belonging 3. WPF/SN (in my opinion). This all has to do with the leading man. Joseph forever- I love him so much. This leads me to my next view…
    Phil: Not a big fan of his. Though I see the appeal of the alpha male, the actions of one kind of butt heads with my general feminist views, so I find myself getting easily annoyed at his possessive tone and caveman behavior. With that said, I think he and Lina are perfect for each other. They complete one another in a way that cannot be described, though Alice does a good job of trying to explain it cosmically. I’m not the forgiving type, so I’ll be mad at Phil forever, but what’s most important is that Lina is happy, so I can set aside my ire if Lina can get her HEA.
    SWIMMING NAKED: Wow. Just wow. I finished it last night and it is truly another wonderful book. So many emotions were drawn out of me and I stayed up way too late and cried and wanted to punch Kim through my computer screen. There is so much character development and growth, and Liam is so adorable. I don’t want to say too much but I’m so excited for it to be officially published soon!
    All of You: Thank you for seeing the brilliance that is in my mom. You have been so inspiring to her. You’ve kept her writing on days when she was discouraged and may have otherwise left it for a later day. Please keep encouraging her this way because there are about five other half books that I’m obsessed with, but they have no endings and it kills me. I need her to finish them!! Especially one where the main character is named Jordan, went to Penn, and has a physical description very close to mine 🙂 Anyway, this was a very long-winded post, but it has been a joy to read what you post every day, and I’m glad there are people out there who are just as obsessed with these books as I am. Happy Weekend!

    • Katie says:

      Hi Jordan. You’re a sweetheart.
      I harass your mom beyond this blog on a daily basis. I don’t plan to stop. And she tells me your secrets, so how could I ever stop?!
      I’m glad you can post. Janet needs backup.

  192. Tracie says:

    Phil takes full responsibility for his actions the Christmas scene when he said I put myself here…said it all….:..When he belly’s up I want to see him walk the walk when he told Lina in WPF I will put you before anyone else…..I love you more than anything in this world…I thought about a comment J-Girl or Kbabe said he is begging Kim in the baseball scene and he doesn’t beg….He did beg Lina in WPF in Chapter 29, when he said Lina I’m begging you don’t do this….I’m overcome with sympathy for my Phil and the book is still at the editor…Lol

  193. Ann says:

    I think Phil was damn stupid to believe Kim when she said she was on the pill. Clearly we all know that Phil has an amped up sex drive and wasn’t thinking with the head upstairs. I think he needed attention from something because of the wall between him and Lina. Still no excuses. Phil can be one cold bastard though. I know Kim is evil and slutty, etc. but Phil used her and then discarded her like nothing. I’m not taking up for Kim because she knew he was married, but all I’m saying is that I would not want to get on the bad side of Phil. I love him though! LOL
    I just need more of Phil sucking up to Lina and I’m sure we will get that in SN.

    • Laura says:

      Exactly — He has to be belly up with Lina

    • Katie says:

      If he had been any nicer to her, we would be discussing how it seemed like Kim and Phil had more of a relationship than a fling. At least he gave her a conversation and didn’t call her what she is. You can’t be mad when you’re hired as a temp and not offered a full-time position. It just is.
      I believe Lina takes some blame for the whole situation- her emotional retreat opened the door for this perfect storm. The only ones blameless are the kids, and Liam.

  194. Katie says:

    Honestly, I don’t feel sorry for either of them. Kim pursued a married man. Phil cheated on his wife and didn’t protect himself. Any consequences that came their way are on them 100%. Maybe Kim got mixed messages and thought it was more. Maybe Phil got duped into getting Kim pregnant, but any personal or professional consequences that come from deceit don’t get sympathy from me. Lina took Phil back, and I completely understand it, and I was and am hopeful for them, but I still don’t feel sympathy.

    • Laura says:

      fair — we are always responsible for our actions — this didn’t just happen to them.
      Lina may have had an emotional bond with Nick but that slowly developed, probably without her even thinking about it

  195. Katie says:

    So did he have sex with Kim on Friday morning and Lina that night? ?

    • Tracie says:

      Must have…ewww, but he did take a shower when he got home and remember he didn’t initiate sex that night Lina did and then they were righted…

      • Tracie says:

        He was already getting tired of Kim, but when Lina said I love you…he melted…its what he was waiting for to be needed, just to feel her love and sincerity knowing he was the only thing on her mind…Her reaching out to him with the I love you and missed you was his undoing he wanted to make love to HIS woman….Not be Fucked….Kim at that point was long gone….

    • Laura says:

      No I said four days. Thursday. And then Lina Friday Saturday and Sunday. Bastard

  196. Tracie says:

    If I would of been that secretary, when Kim came out, I would of said that is what you call getting fucked more ways than one…Get your ass back to those General Admission seats…you just got kicked out of the box….

  197. Katie says:

    I love how he stays in control. When did she scratch him?
    She defaults to sex to try to keep him. Of course. I love that when he’s done, he’s done, and he’s clear. In so many cheating stories, the dude has a hard time letting go of the OW. She says she doesn’t believe him…had he tried to end it before?
    If I had to guess he doesn’t get an erection when touches him. Because he’s done and in control, finally. I hope.

    So she was giving him BJs at the office? So classy.

    • Tracie says:

      She had to resort to sex to keep him, because that’s the only fallback she had…they have nothing in common, just like my research said, no emotional connection….

    • Laura says:

      She scratches him after she calls the house and he confronts her at the office. In WPF she calls his cell and home phone and Phil tells Lina it’s a wrong number

  198. janet says:

    Omg!! On my way to airport. I’ll post once I check in. LOVED and hated a tiny bit. Loved: Phil’s callousness towards Kim and loved the secretary disapproving. The blush which was a smack to her ego. She couldn’t mask that. Hated: Kim knowing her way around Phil’s office. feeling comfortable enough to just stroll right up to bar which makes me question how many times did they burn the candle in the office. the secretary knowing what was going on and Kim walking in without secretary notifying her. That couldn’t be helped.
    Nobody felt sorry for Kim a tiny bit?

    Thank you Laura! That was awesome even though high on the anxiety meter!!

    • Tracie says:

      Not a damn bit J-Girl…I guess she thiught that her disapproving of his secretary would get a reaction. Like her opinion mattered…Liar Whore that what she is….you going to NYC?

      • Linda says:

        I feel sorry for her a little bit… He used her and even Phill said it was just sex the responsibility of his marriage was on him not her. Sorry but that is how I feel. I still hate her

        • Laura says:

          She did go after a married man so I don’t feel sorry for her — He is the one that hurt Lina though — that’s on him.

          • Linda says:

            Yes she is not a saint (and I do not like her) although she really is an excellent villain. I’m just saying it takes two for a Tango ?

        • Laura says:

          Also Phil is angry at himself and taking it out on Kim — cold as ice.

          • Tracie says:

            Phil did fall, but she planned what she did, so when you barrel into a well laid plan, one or two things are going to happen…you’re are going to get the prize or no cigar…She flipped the coin and lost! Lina and Liam are on Phil…yes he’s at fault for crossing so many lines, but he’s man enough to step back across those lines and make amends…He’s owes Kim absolutely nothing…..

  199. Ann says:

    The fact that kim says “how about a blowjob” just makes it so clear that it was all about sex for Phil. He’s still wrong in what he did but getting this conversation helps a lot. I guess when Phil and Lina were at Wayne and Diane’s for the cookout and Phil and Wayne disappeared that’s when Phil asked for Kim to be taken off his cases.
    I cannot wait for SN.

  200. Ann says:

    OMG, Laura you are the best! You sure can write like there’s no tomorrow!
    So Phil finally comes out of the fog, LOL. So this has been four days since he came home from New York? WOW. She says, oh we’re just having fun! What a manipulative bitch she is! I hate her. I love it when Phil acts like a cocky dick!!! OMG he just threw the trash away! I love it.

    • Tracie says:

      I hope he didn’t get hard when she touched him…I don’t want you….This was a mistake aka you were a mistake…We are good together….in her opinion…She sure was comfortable strolling in their…blowjob…yuck….now he probably has penis warts….I love that she’s out….Oh yeah…….Love his secretary was disapproving…It was just amazing Laura. I bet he feels dirty in that scene…now that he’s back in Lina’s arms….Had he had his appointment with Nick Drayton yet?

    • Tracie says:

      You are right Ann she’s was making him feel comfortable, pulling him in with this nonchalant let’s fuck and blow routine…He blew her right out of the water…Poor Phil though…what a costly mistake…

    • Laura says:

      Exactly. WPF starts on a Friday and this is the following Monday

  201. Laura says:

    The breakup scene…

    Phil was at his desk working on a brief when he heard Kim’s voice just outside his office asking his secretary if he was in. He lifted his gaze from his computer screen as she came through the door.
    “I’m really tired of her looks of disapproval.” She closed the door and turned the lock on the knob. “Have you been ignoring me intentionally today or have you been busy?” She crossed to the bar in the corner of his office. “Scotch?”
    It had been four days since he’d last fucked her. As he watched her across the room, pouring him a drink, her tight dress clinging to the curve of her hips, he felt nothing but regret. It was like he’d stepped out of a fog and he could now see the world clearly again.
    “I don’t want a scotch.”
    “No?” She looked back at him over her shoulder. “How about a blowjob?”
    “Are you serious?” She laughed. “What’s wrong. Why are you looking at me like that?”
    “This was a mistake.”
    “Excuse me?” Her eye’s widened. “What are you talking about.”
    “I’m talking about what we’ve been doing. It’s over. It’s done.”
    “What?” She blushed. “What’s wrong? I don’t–.”
    “It was a huge fucking mistake,” he interrupted. He rose from his chair. “I’m not making it again. I’ve already talked to Wayne. You’ll be transitioning off my cases and–.”
    “Oh, so you’re just dismissing me? You no longer need my services? I’m not a fucking whore, Phil. You can’t just toss me to someone else.”
    “I don’t expect you to fuck Wayne. I expect you to work for him.”
    “I don’t want to work for Wayne.” She crossed her arms over her chest. “I like working for you. You’re who I want to work for.”
    He rounded his desk and strode to the door. “That’s not an option. I’m sorry.” He unlocked the knob and pulled open the door. “You’re reporting to him effective immediately.”
    “You’re sorry? Are you fucking kidding me?”
    He slowly closed the door before turning back to her. “Let’s not make this more difficult than it has to be,” he said coolly. “You knew I was married. You knew I was never leaving my wife. I was very clear about that.”
    “I don’t understand.” She walked across the room, joining him at the door. “We’re good together.” She stroked her hand over his crotch.
    He clenched her wrist, pushing her hand off of him. “Don’t!”
    “We’re just having fun.” She reached for him again, sliding her hand over his chest. “I would never tell her. Why do you want to stop?”
    “I don’t want you anymore.” He clasped both her wrists. “Okay?” He raised his eyes brows. “Is that clear enough for you?”
    “I don’t believe you.” She shook her head.
    “You should. Because it’s the truth.” He released her wrists and opened the door. “Good night.”

  202. Katie says:

    I’m headed off to volunteer at my daughter’s school. I expect to see a scene and some good dialogue when I return. Something with Kim. ? We all seem to agree about her.

  203. Tracie says:

    I’m anxious to see how Phil includes Lina…Like Baby this is my custody agreement, this is how much child support we provide, etc….I feel for her though, when she says what’s his name, etc…

    • Tracie says:

      I’m telling you girls Kim is going to go ballistic when she finds out Phil and Lina are together…I’m so giddy to see that pigs ear wallowing…..

      • Ann says:

        I can’t wait for that either. The scene where Phil tells Kim that she was just an easy fuck, is that a flashback in SN or was it cut out of WPF. I start getting mixed up.

  204. Tracie says:

    I have a think question…We’ve discussed Kim using Lina as a babysitter….what if it’s just the opposite, what if Kim tries to get Phil to pick Liam over Lina? Since they have no custody agreement at first, what if Kim plays the get rid of the wife or you don’t see the kid card?

    • Katie says:

      She might try but luckily the law protects him from that. I anticipate there’s a point when a custody agreement is necessary because of Kim’s antics.

      • Laura says:

        Actually, when the SN starts a custody agreement is in place — just didn’t ring realistic for an attorney (Phil) not to want things spelled out. Without one, she could just leave the area with Liam.

  205. Katie says:

    Like Jordan, I would’ve never read WPF if you hadn’t been the author, but I’ve never been so emotionally impacted by a book. To successfully take a reader out of their preferred genre is a testament to your talent. That’s why we all come here day after day.

  206. Katie says:

    I tried to read Admissions of Guilt last night but I can’t get into it. I should’ve known because that cover is awful.

    • Tracie says:

      It was choppy and not well written, but the man did the same thing as Phil, I don’t love you, etc to the OW…I was trying to prove the point that the wife can forgive and accept the baby and an affair where the man still loves the wife is only physical even though it’s a betrayal….

      • Katie says:

        Yeah and I was intrigued by the common storyline. I only made it to 40%, but I didn’t get a good idea about why he cheated. He didn’t seem to have a reason I could understand. The writing made it impossible for me to continue. But I am glad Alexa got her baby, since she couldn’t have any.

  207. Tracie says:

    But that’s what I like you are not going by the standard outline…How can you be creative, when you are expected to work within the perimeters of a box or what someone else thinks should happen when??? I love your your curve balls as I call them…I can follow the standard outline by the percentage read in a book…I hope the editor you are working with is not standard, you need someone that takes your leaps of faith and is excited to come along for the ride…

  208. Katie says:

    Not romance, but it is an epic love story.

  209. Laura says:

    There are rules to romance novels — for instance, I received criticism for When I Saw You because Joseph continued to sleep with Kathy after meeting Lia — Heroes are never supposed to have sex with another woman after seeing ‘the one’.

  210. Tracie says:

    Romances are great I love them…but I also think people gravitate toward family drama as well because it’s real life…I doubt a billionaire would ever fall at my feet in Oklahoma and when he touches me I feel like I’ve stuck my finger in a light socket…but could my husband cheat, most definitely…I can honestly say WPF pulled more emotion out of me than any book I have ever read…We have all been looking at books with similar subject matter, trying to get the same emotional pull of WPF…I think you are on to something with the Family drama or Women’s fiction…however you want to classify the story…

    • Laura says:

      Thanks Tracie — Writing a WPF type book definitely takes a lot more out of me — I have to dig much deeper and feel what the characters feel. It’s why I can’t go back to Phil’s POV for Chapter 28, 29 or 30 — too gut wrenching. It would wreck me for a full day.
      Sometimes I read to escape life and sometimes I read to feel and I guess I write the same way — what I don’t like and will never write is a book without a HEA

  211. janet says:

    responding to Katie above.

    I agree with you Katie and I don’t think all cheaters are assholes. Maybe in books I expect more from the hero because that’s part of reading a romance novel. I want to be swooned as Tracie puts it and be taken to a place I can’t visit in real life. Yeah, I do think Phil can act like an asshole but he isn’t one in character. I too think he is a good person who loves Lina more than himself and messed up without thinking about it. Most often than not, authors don’t have the ability to flesh their characters out to a depth where we can sympathize with a cheating hero. I think because Laura was able to do so we are all over Phil one way or another kinda as if we know him in real life.
    My kids have been attending the same school since they were three. In the ensuing years, I kid you not, at least a dozen couples have split up and more than several were due to cheating. I’m still friends with some of those dads who have cheated. French people aren’t quiet about these things. But in books I do judge because I expect more. For me it’s not so much about forgiving Phil but emphasis on Phil redeeming himself worthy of Lina’s love.

    • Laura says:

      I guess the question is whether or not this is really a ‘romance novel’. I struggled with that and ended up calling it Women’s fiction. If I pick up a romance novel for an escape, I don’t want the hero or heroine to cheat.
      Jordan finished Swimming Naked (the rough draft) yesterday and said if I hadn’t written it she never would have chosen to read it because she prefers romance. She said the same thing about WPF.

      So is it a romance or not?

      • Tracie says:

        I would say no…We as women romanticize Phil and Lina’s relationship….Wanting to see the love and connection that every human craves and wants in a healthy relationship….They are already a couple and have a family….We want them to survive the storm and see Liam seamlessly integrated into their family unit, with all hearts healed and a HEA….

  212. Carrie says:

    Yes Janet you are correct. When I think of 4 months I think about sending my daughter to college and before I know it shes back home for Christmas break!

  213. deighj says:

    Goodnight all. Shopping whipped my butt and I’m off to bed. Sweet dreams.

  214. deighj says:

    Thanks Laura, I do hope Megan has some empathy for her mother and not a meltdown because she was denied something she wanted. But in thinking about it I think all three of the Hunter children have grown emotionally during the aftermath. Megan is a gifted child who’s every wish has pretty much been granted. I hope her emotional growth will come to match her intellect.

  215. deighj says:

    Sugar, In the book Admissions of Guilt I wondered why Alexa represented Rachel. If she had gone to the managing partner(s) and explained the situation there is no way in hell she would’ve been allowed to represent Rachel. Why didn’t she recuse herself. The husband didn’t grovel enough for me. In the scene where the nanny couldn’t care for the baby I would have called the hubby and told him he had X amount of time brfore I called Children’s Services to pick it up and take it away. They were just sharing the house at that time. I would have told him in no uncertain terms that he better make sure my sleep went undisturbed or holy hell would be raised.
    So you can now see how much I’ve changed my viewpoint from scorched earth. You had a part in the doing of that. Thank you.
    I wonder what the rest of the gang thinks about this book.

  216. Tracie says:

    Okay the 4 month thing keeps coming up so I did a little research on them….A doctor said there are like 6 different kinds…Phil and Kim’s was “A Lust Only Affair”…He said they burn hot and seem intense but they burn out pretty quickly…It’s usually based on an underlying emotional issue at home…But the reason they burn hot, then fizzle is because they found during the study that the couples having the affair had nothing to talk about they didn’t have much in common except for work related issues and sex it was all physical…So they burned hot 4 months, but is was fizzling when Lina found out…..most of these affairs are work associates, because it’s convenient and their is a physical attraction….

  217. deighj says:

    Hey Sugar pie! That tequila and Mountain Dew didn’t go over. After those two sips I kept the MD but trashed the tequila. The tequila and the moonshine belongs to my daughter. There weren’t any mixers so MD it was. I prefer a glass or two of wine if I drink at all.
    I’ve been shopping and getting my hair cut today. Crazy out there. I vote with J on the online shopping but there are a few things I wanted to get for my daughter that required a look see. I have never paid so much for so little, seemed the smaller the more expensive. I’ve never before paid as much for a pair of drawers and a tiny boob shelf. But my daughter is a clothes horse and it’s all my fault which she’s quick to remind me.

    • Tracie says:

      What’s a boob shelf Deighj? I’m a clothes horse too, but the older I’m getting…I’m learning the more stuff you have the more you tie yourself down…Stuff has to be maintained, cleaned, moved, stored..the list is endless…

      • deighj says:

        Have you heard the question ‘If your house was burning what five things would you attempt to save, not counting children?’ That’s paraphrased BTW. It surely wouldn’t be clothing for me. Pictures for sure, legal papers, have to think long and hard about other keepsakes. I did lose my home in a fire and lost everything. It was summer and we were all in Florida. All that was left was the barn with my husband’s business paraphernalia.
        Sugar a boob shelf is what it looks like to me. There are cups for the boobs covered in lace so not really a shelf. Lace isn’t soft enough for me, too scratchy. Give me satin.

  218. deighj says:

    There is one person in WPF I really didn’t like other than Kim. That was Megan and the disrespect shown to Lina. Though she’s in college now so not at home except on break. I felt that Phil backed her up, going around Lina to do so. Would any of you allow that kind of behavior from your children? I hope with Lina’s growing confidence in not only her marriage but in business that she will well and truly give Megan to understand her place within the family. I want Phil to underscore that with Megan. What do you ladies think.

  219. Ann says:

    Deighj I like the idea of giant stockings. Tell your daughter that is a smart idea.

  220. Ann says:

    Deighj I did get my tree decorated last night. The reason it takes me so long to do it is because I don’t stick with it. I keep getting on this blog than I go internet shopping etc. then I go back to the tree.
    With the scene Laura gave us yesterday with Kim and the damn pregnancy test got me all fired up. Then today we got such a nice scene with sweet Phil on Xmas eve. I’m so ready to read SN .

  221. deighj says:

    Ania, Poland is one of the top countries I want to visit. I remember my parents and grandparents discussing the country and the political situation there. In their descriptions they made it sound so beautiful. I no longer remember the details but, I romanticized your country and still feel that lingering romance.

    Ann, did you ever get your Christmas tree decorated? Finally got mine finished it gets more involved every year. My daughter came up with the idea of having giant stockings instead of all the wrapping of gifts so that’s what we’re gonna do this year. Of course that reminded me of Sugar’s big gift sacks and her family sitting outside around a tree. Had to laugh cause that scenario reminded me of Charlie Brown’s tree.

  222. janet says:

    Ok. Caught up. Carrie pointed out something that made me think. She said 4 months isn’t a long time so is there a time limit where we can all let go of the affair? Carrie, I think you would forgive Phil because you love him and it’s not conditional upon the length of the affair.

    • Katie says:

      Everyone is going to have different criteria for forgiveness. I think you’re just not convinced Phil is the loving husband depicted in Laura’s scene today…because how could the guy from that scene lie and cheat for 4 months. I also think your forgiveness depends on the nature of the affair (romantic vs. strictly sex), which hasn’t been fully explained. You don’t trust Phil yet…

      • Tracie says:

        You know what made me so quick to forgive….He cared that she was hurt and it crushed him that it was by his own hand… ..he said in the scene today…I can’t feel sorry for my self, because I put myself here…….

      • Laura says:

        Are you saying a man that would buy his wife an angel on their honeymoon wouldn’t have an affair seventeen years later? or that he can’t feel true remorse because he cheated for four months? What part doesn’t ring true?

        • Katie says:

          This isn’t about my opinion. I forgive Phil. Every case is different, and, in his case, I believe he had reasons I can understand to cheat. He’s a good guy who royally fucked up because of his situation and opportunity. I believe he loves Lina and won’t cheat again. He was redeemed for me when he stayed faithful during the separation. Any additional clarification will only serve as icing for me. With that said, I think I understand what Janet was saying earlier. I don’t want to speak for her, so J, clarify if I’m wrong…but it seems you are like many who believe that cheaters are assholes (yes!), and only assholes who must not love their wives cheat. So it’s hard for you to connect the Phil in the scene being so in love with Lina on Christmas Eve as being the same Phil who cheated and lied to her nearly everyday for 4 months. I hope that made sense.

  223. Deb says:

    The guest room scene is great Laura – thanks for putting that in 🙂

    • Laura says:

      Glad you liked it!

      • Tracie says:

        Now if I could have Phil’s POV…Starting at that page that says Chapter 47 and continues to the page that says Chapter 48…Can you imagine how giddy he was when she kissed him on the lips at the lacrosse field, then the text about the dance, Her leaning into his touch at the pre-dance party…Lord have mercy on the dinner scene….Wow….

  224. deighj says:

    J-Girl you posted something either yesterday or the day before, that surprised me. Gave me a new insight into Phil.
    Because of you I took my hard copy off the shelf and am now rereading WPF, switching between with the e-book. The odd thing is I can’t remember what your comment was. Whatever, it was insightful and I decided this close to getting our hot little hands on SN I’d be okay. After all this time I’m picking up new thoughts along the way.
    If you remember when Laura introduced me to you and Sugar she placed me somewhere between your two viewpoints. I have always been team Phil but boy was I pissed at him, telling Lina to leave it behind. I wanted complete disclosure. Laura’s going to give us that with Swimming NAKED. Wish I could remember that comment though.

    • Tracie says:

      Deighj I was wondering where you were my little Georgia Doll…when you said you mixed vodka with Mt. Dew I was wondering how that turned out for you!

  225. Katie says:

    Can we all just sit in a virtual circle and sing Kumbaya?

  226. janet says:

    Lord, we are melodramtic! bring it on teamphils! I was out picking up my faucet replacement and had lunch with my sister. I was going to lay low a bit and take a break from our marathon coffeetalk sessions. I’m back and no hard feelings with anyone. I’m glad Carrie is on Phil’s side 100% because he needs all the support he can get. haha. Let me catch up and I’ll post soon. I’m not going anywhere.

  227. Tracie says:

    You girl pearls I too love the way my Phil’s POV reflected his sexual prowess…He had me at OH, BABY….Then I would of looked liked the Samsonite Gorilla on a piece of hot luggage…I would of jumped all over that….I hoping I’m SN Kbabe that Lina’s shoulder blades are sore because he has frantically pushed her against a wall…can’t wait!

  228. Ania says:

    Hello Ladies ?????
    Czesc Dziewczny??
    Greetings from Europe??
    I’m from Wroclaw(south west of Poland, located on 12 islands on Odra river and having about 200 bridges is so often called ‘the Polish Venice”?Since2005 England became my home ?
    I’m off to bed now 23:37
    Goodnight everybody x

  229. Linda says:

    What an interesting day … Janet I understand what you mean by boring, if I like something when reading a good book is to immerse myself in the story and each one will interpret it in their own way. Being able to read and share your opinions in a healthy debate is key, I love it! I am pro diversity, open mind even when I do not share that opinion. So Janet I hope to continue reading your post here you give it spicy?

  230. Ann says:

    Yes Phil! I loved that guest room scene. Phil seemed so humble and when Lina came into the bedroom he was so crazy about her. He thought he was dreaming and never wanted to wake up! I can’t wait to read SN. I’m obsessed like the rest of you. Tracie said it best about the sponge thing. Love me some Phil!
    Janet where are you sister???

  231. Katie says:

    Btw, that preacher is a douche of the worst kind. Why did he have to humiliate his wife publicly like that? Adios, fucker.

    And I thought it was pretty hot how Phil pushed Lina onto the bed and basically told her yes, you love me, you’re mine, and you’re going to let me screw your brains out right now.

  232. Tracie says:

    Janet LaRae…I don know your middle name so I made one up…meaning “LaRae of Sunshine”……You will not dump me after 9 months of our bittersweet love-in..You are making me feel cheap, like a knock of Coach purse with my C’s going in the wrong direction…Fight for me Stella….Come Back Shane….Whistle for me Dixie…

    Post tonight my dear friend so our minds will be eased that you are back in our happy place, drinking that funky diet tea and choking on twizzler’s….

  233. Katie says:

    Janet, you better not stop posting. You have no idea how much I refresh to see what you say!!

  234. Carrie says:

    Thank Ann! I have never been accused of being boring!! I spent my entire career working with men. I’m a retired investigator. I knew all the details of all the guys lives. Which ones cheated and who didn’t. I heard them talk to their wives on the phone. I have known a Phil or two. Laura is spot on in her descriptions of our Phil based on my experience.

    • Tracie says:

      Carrie you are not boring and I’m far from it too…I am a broken record when it comes to Phil, the others find that comforting…Lol However, being a retired investigator you also know that their are two sides to every story and to give Phil and the entire story a well rounded view all opinions need to be appreciated and accepted…#TeamPhil

  235. Tracie says:

    Of course we aren’t going anywhere Lol…when we first started I remember anxiously awaiting my Salt to log on to discuss our questions, so we could ease our anxiety together..There would be no Kettle corn if Salt and Sweet didn’t mix together…
    J-Girl made me see many scenes from a different perspective, that I was honestly to jaded not to realize the true meaning……

    Janet and I both love all the interaction with all you bloggers…and admire the fact that you love and appreciate our Laura like we do….

    Now I need you to refocus on a book that Janet and I read back in the summer…It was called Admissions of Guilt…it was the book about a prominent doctor and his attorney wife that were in the same situation that Lina and Phil are in…pregnancy and all..He had an office affair, she was pregnant and he had the very same reaction Phil had…I don’t love you, never did, love my wife. The OW asked the Hero…what is this and he said nothing but unadulterated lust. The wife won’t have nothing to do with the baby, stays out of the room when its around, won’t even go into his room…The mother ends up signing over custody to the father and the wife raises the baby…Even though the wife was enraged by her husbands actions she still loved him and loved his son..just like Phil the Hero in this book gave her time to adjust to the baby and he worked diligently to heal the harm he had inflicted…the writing is nothing like Laura’s but it gave me a little insight on how a couple works through the issues….Also, showed that men are like birds of a feather that flock together…similar traits when having an affair…

  236. Laura says:

    Janet and Tracie are the original members of this blog — it wouldn’t be here without them ? No one is going anywhere!

  237. Ann says:

    Tracie, I just realized that the preacher was also stepping down. Good.

  238. Ann says:

    Hey girls, everyone doing okey? I’m just thankful I woke up another day! LOL

    First off, Tracie that preacher who broke up with his wife in front of his congregation is no man of the cloth but a major asshole, in my opinion. I hope the people of that church can fire him, or stop supporting him. You did say it was a non-denominational church?

    Secondly, Laura dear you just put my heart back together with that guest room scene on Christmas Eve. It was very touching and was so so needed after that brutal scene at Kim’s apartment. Yes, Phil can be so sweet and alpha at the same time. Like I’ve said before I was always Team Phil, but I do agree with Janet on some things. It just irks me that he kept the affair going for 4 months. That is what has always bothered me about Phil and the fact that once he confessed his sins to Lina, he seemed frustrated that she couldn’t get over it. He needed to put himself in Lina’s shoes, and I don’t think Phil could ever accept a baby that Lina had through an affair.

    I am so anxious to read SN, along with all of you amazing ladies. Then we can dissect and rehash all the new scenes.

    Carrie and Tracie, you guys are not sweet and boring because you’re Team Phil 100%. I love reading other opinions because it just opens my eyes with a different view.

    Katie I meant to thank you yesterday for straightening out the blog issue.

    Hi Deighj.

    Laura, what’s the status of SN with your editor?

  239. Tracie says:

    BAHAHAH…Kbabe…no blame or penalty for anyone….

  240. Katie says:

    White Flag! White Flag!! Blame me for everything!!!

  241. Tracie says:

    Thank you Carrie…Remember with out Salt, we really would just be sweet and boring….Love both you girls…

  242. Carrie says:

    No Janet I’m not attacking you personally. I believe Laura is a masterful storyteller. These people reside in her head which is why they stay so true to character. As Laura said there is no black and white. Team Phil!!

  243. Tracie says:

    She didn’t write that scene this morning for me, Laura was showing Phil’s POV on one of the pivotal moments in the book when Phil realizes that Lina hadn’t slept with Nick….It was a turning point for Phil, he realized had that point he still had a shot with Lina…Chapter 43 is one of my favorites, but not my absolute favorite that would be Chapter 47….simmer down sweeties…..

    • janet says:

      Ok I’ll stay off for a bit and read Laura’s snippets. It’s all in good fun!

      • Tracie says:

        My Salt…you know its all in good fun and I love our banter and your opinions…keep them coming…I feel like you are teaching me to virtual fence… Have you noticed I’m all about that word virtual????

      • Ann says:

        You better not stay off of this Janet. I love reading your views.

      • Tracie says:

        J-Girl..I want to hear from you…come on now…think of good things like Chanel purses and Kim being bloated and floating in the inner harbor…..I needs my salt..sweet girl…

    • Laura says:

      I think that was one of Ann’s favorite scenes.

    • Tracie says:

      Carrie don’t be offended doll….we may be boring but we are right!!! LOL Take it all in stride and our back and forth is what makes it fun…as long as we aren’t derogatory and respect each others opinion then we have a good gig going…Lighten up my little pit…..

  244. Tracie says:

    I’m right here…what are you girls fussing over???

  245. Carrie says:

    Janet certainly implied it

  246. Carrie says:

    I’m offended my post was deleted!

    • Laura says:

      Ugh! Where’s Tracie when I need her. Janet didn’t ask if I wrote that scene for Tracie.

    • janet says:

      Carrie, are you attacking me personally for my inability to forgive Phil or are we having a healthy discussion about cheating? We all agree that we are on the blog to escape. We don’t need bad energy from either of us. I can try and curb my thoughts on Phil and you can all be boring team Phil but it’s fun to see hear all views from everyone imo

  247. janet says:

    Uh, what was that and where did that come from?

  248. janet says:

    I never said that. I asked if this scene was in SN or if she wrote for this blog

  249. Tracie says:

    Exactly! He never stopped loving her…He told her that one bad year didn’t negate 25 years of their love and lives together. A man that doesn’t love his wife and has an emotional connection with their lover, walks away without looking back, and is absorbed in the flesh of the other woman…Phil dropped Kim like a hot potato and tried his best to fix his marriage and would have if Kim, wouldn’t have shredded Lina….He told Lina there is NO choice….

    • janet says:

      I’m just torn. I read this scene and I see his love for Lina but I see those pictures in my head and what he did with kim physically for four months and it’s still hard for me to let that go. Emotional cheating, physical cheating, just all equally bad. The thing is if a husband confessed to his wife that he has cheated but loves only the wife I can see her forgiving him. If the scenario differs and the wife catches the husband in the act and she was exposed to that visual i think it’s much harder to forgive. With Lina, she was trying to forgive until the pictures came up. At that point, she couldn’t. My biggest issue is for me to understand Phil for the four months.

  250. janet says:

    Laura, did you write this scene for us or it’s in SN. I know it was Tracie’s favorite chapter in the book. I love reading anything with Phil’s POV but like Katie, it feels as if he is two different people. I guess we really see another side of phil when he was with Kim.

    • Laura says:

      I wrote it this morning. People aren’t black and white.

    • Katie says:

      It’s not that he’s two different people. That’s not what I was saying. It’s more that this is the Phil I can forgive. One who truly, deeply loves his wife, but had a brief moment of insanity. We don’t get to see enough of this Phil in WPF.

  251. Tracie says:

    Yes! Yes! He loves her so much…thank you Laura for cleansing my mind as well…no matter what I will not give up on our Phil….

    Girls, he screwed up royally, but can you really turn down your soulmate when he loves you this much???? I could also accept the the baby, because he is the extension of the man I love…You go Lina….bring your man back in the fold…

  252. Laura says:

    I needed this to cleanse yesterday’s scene from my head — This is Christmas from Phil’s POV…

    It was almost 2:00 a.m. before the kids were in their bedrooms and Lina and Phil were able to bring the gifts up from the basement, where they were stowed away.
    “You outdid yourself,” Phil said as he admired the large assortment of wrapped packages beneath the Christmas tree. “It will take them half the day to open those.”
    “It’s no more than normal. And some are for you.”
    “I’m teasing you. It’s late. I’m going to set the alarm and head downstairs.”
    “Okay.” She touched his hand. “Thanks.”
    “Good night.” He leaned in and brushed his lips over her cheek, breathing in her familiar scent. It took everything in him not to pull her into his arms. “Sleep well.” He watched her until she disappeared up the stairs.
    He poured himself another glass of Scotch before lowering himself onto the couch in the living room, staring at the Christmas tree. It was the first time in twenty-five years they hadn’t decorated a tree together. His eyes focused on the angel on top of the tree. They’d been in Paris on their honeymoon when Lina found it at a little shop on avenue of Montaigne. It had been ridiculously expensive so she’d decided not to buy it. He remembered the excitement in her eyes when he presented it to her that Christmas. It had always been his job to place it on top of the tree. He wondered if Logan had done it this year. He swallowed down the lump in his throat. He wasn’t going to feel sorry for himself. He’d put himself here. He finished the drink in two swallows before heading down to the basement.

    * * *

    Phil was lying on his back in the guestroom with his hands clasped together behind his head, staring up at the ceiling and wondering if he’d ever fall asleep when the door opened. He sat up in the bed. Words died in his throat when he saw Lina.
    She crossed to the bed and slipped off her nightgown. His gaze moved over her naked body before she crawled under the comforter beside him. She ran her hand over his chest and began to kiss his jaw.
    He closed his eyes. If he was dreaming, he didn’t want to wake up. He turned to face her, stroking his hand down her back. “Oh, Baby.” He felt her entire body stiffen.
    “What are you doing here?” She scrambled back from him.
    “You came to me.”
    “What?” She sat up, clutching the sheet against her chest as she looked around. “Oh my God. I can’t believe this.”
    He slid his hand up her arm. “Look at me.”
    “Lina.” He clasped her shoulder, pushing her back down on the bed. “Look at me.”
    “Don’t,” she whispered, shaking her head.
    “Shh.” He brushed his lips over hers. “Don’t think. Just feel.” He took the kiss deeper, his warm tongue stroking hers.
    Her hands moved over his shoulders and around his neck. He moaned deeply when she opened her thighs to him. He drove into her, claiming her. She was still his. She would always be his.
    “Do you know why you came to me?” he asked as he thrust his body into hers. “Because you’re mine, Lina,” he said, driving into her again. “You were made for me. You know that’s true, don’t you?” He paused, his body deep in hers, the muscles of his arms and shoulders straining as he held himself over her. “Tell me.”
    “No,” she whispered.
    Regardless of her words he could see the truth in her eyes. She belonged to him. “Why are you fighting this?”
    “Stop talking.”
    “I know I hurt you, but I promise, if you’ll let me, I’ll spend the rest of my life making it up to you. I love you.” He lowered his mouth over hers as his body again began to move.

    They were almost asleep, her body draped over his, when Nick Drayton came into his mind. “Were you with him?”
    He released a breath.

    • Katie says:

      It’s hard to reconcile this Phil with cheating Phil. He really was out of his mind those 4 months. Like his body was a robot. It’s the only explanation.

      • Tracie says:

        Phil tells you in Chapter 43, that the stress with Katie and he stopped himself, but you can read between the lines why he then said we had a bad year…Their connection wasn’t there and she was turning/depending on Nick more than Phil. He was basically feeding his physical needs without having to fight with Lina..Janet made me see that light in the first part of Chapter 1…

  253. Tracie says:

    I agree Carrie…I’m still Team Phil all the way…I saw no emotional bonding with Kim and Phil in yesterdays scene. Physical yes, that’s obvious because of the pregnancy and the four months of sex, but he made it quite clear he didn’t love her. Phil and Kim both used each other in an arrogant and selfish way.

  254. Carrie says:

    Deb, so your husband agreed that 4 months was a bit long? Smart man agreeing with his wife!! I don’t really have an issue with the 4 months. A friends husband said it best: women have affairs with their heart but men have affairs with their body!

  255. Tracie says:

    Girls, I have to tell you what happened in our little town, this past week..talk about a gut punch…A preacher from a large non-denominational church stood in front of his congregation Sunday and said he would be stepping down from the pulpit, his wife was standing beside him and he turned to her and said I will also be stepping away from my marriage….She had no idea, that he had been having an affair with the church secretary. She was mortified, she walked off the stage and out the emergency exit beside the stage…Who does that….I felt sick for her…He had just bought her a new BMW for their 20th wedding anniversary in May, took her on a romantic vacation, etc…..They have two teenage daughters…what a mess…

  256. Tracie says:

    Good Morning Girls,

    I was thinking about this scene last night and about Phil…Phil has probably always been a top notch student growing up, star athlete and excelled in any and everything he ever touched. I think Katie said it best in Chapter 32, while talking with Logan, he is no longer perfect and he can’t hold any of us to that standard anymore…Also, his brothers Mike’s reaction “I just can’t believe it..” For the first time in Phil’s life, he is going to experience people feeling disappointment where he is concerned…I think this is what Laura means by Phil’s going to grow…he has too…he fell from grace…Phil is a good guy, he loves his family. He’s a man that thought he could control all things in his life, except for the one thing he couldn’t..Kim… Yesterday’s scene was a gutting and maddening scene, but it opened my eyes to what Phil and Lina are going to have to deal with where Kim is concerned…Phil was out of control yesterday, lets see what happens when he is in control….I hope you have eyes in the back of your head Kim, he is coming for you….

  257. Laura says: